Talk:Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance

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Abbreviation[edit]

Votes only in favour of I.N.D.I.A.

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Dear editors,

I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to address a recent change made by Shaan Sengupta regarding the abbreviation for "INDIA." While their intention was to avoid confusion between the country and alliance name, it is important to consider the broader consensus and guidelines regarding abbreviations.

According to Wikipedia's policies, it is generally recommended to follow the majority of reliable sources when determining the appropriate abbreviation for a term. In the case of "INDIA," the overwhelming majority of reliable sources use "INDIA" as the accepted abbreviation. It is worth noting that this abbreviation is not the title name and thus is unlikely to cause confusion among readers.

I propose that we engage in a discussion to reach a consensus on the preferred abbreviation for "INDIA" on Wikipedia. This will allow us to consider various perspectives and evaluate the merits of using INDIA versus I-N-D-I-A versus I.N.D.I.A. By engaging in a collaborative conversation, we can ensure that our decisions align with Wikipedia's guidelines and represent the consensus of the editing community.

I invite all interested editors to share their thoughts and opinions on this matter. Let us work together to establish a consensus that reflects the majority stance supported by reliable sources.

Thank you for your attention, and I look forward to a productive discussion.

Best regards, ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 16:15, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

pinging @DSP2092, @Block345, @HapHaxion, @Arjun Madathiparambil Muraleedharan ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 16:18, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support for I.N.D.I.A.: I would support this to be written as I.N.D.I.A. This best explains it. Since this has a full-form I don't think there shall be any issue with it. Shaan SenguptaTalk 16:20, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Better to discuss this with other editors. I didn't agreed on your reason. ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 16:31, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    As you wrote, "we can name it, but we have to name it according to the majority reliable sources. ❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 16:33, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I never said no to a discussion. I just said there shouldn't be any issue according to my thought. I am always up for a healthy discussion and consensus. Shaan SenguptaTalk 16:37, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  1. https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/i-n-d-i-a-indian-national-democratic-inclusive-alliance-2024-elections-confusion-over-2-different-full-forms-for-opposition-alliance-4219182
  2. https://www.indiatoday.in/elections/lok-sabha-polls-2024/video/opposition-alliance-named-india-indian-national-democratic-inclusive-alliance-2408275-2023-07-18
DSP2092 (talk) 16:36, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
NDTV is not a independent reliable source TheWikiholic (talk) 06:29, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: That dotted or dashed name have limited citations, the "INDIA" have more reliable citations.
1. Reuters
2. Al-Jazeera
3. BBC
4. The Economic Times
5. The Hindu
6. The Indian Express
Now here are some official sources where "INDIA" is used. Even logo of this alliance didn't used dot or dash.
Official Announcement by Congress who is the founder of this alliance
❯❯❯ Chunky aka Al Kashmiri (✍️) 18:17, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
TheChunky's list makes a good case for INDIA, and we can add Hindustan Times. Don't this group have an official website? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:28, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for I.N.D.I.A - Most Indian newspapers have been doing this. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:00, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Per the hits I get here [1], INDIA seems more in use. Weak per WP:GOOGLETEST sure, but still. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:19, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, a day is a long time in politics :-) I guess we should mention both forms. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:37, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I.N.D.I.A. - Quite a few seem to be using that version of the abbreviation. Am removing the abbreviation till the conclusion of this discussion, since the existing version has little support beyond the proposer. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 20:05, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Logo of the alliance[edit]

No RS point to this as the logo of the alliance. Until then, I am removing the same before it snowballs. Thanks, User4edits (talk) User4edits (talk) 10:47, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion: Reorganize "Organisational Structure" & "Member parties"[edit]

I propose the following columns from existing tables are rearranged as the following. The goal is to improve readability by making it more intuitive for readers, while retain essential information in all tables, allowing the readers to easily cross reference information. As this seems to be a page for overview as opposed to List of Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance members and List of Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance candidates for the 2024 Indian general election, I think we should remove things such as Party Logo, Flags and Symbols, and retain only seat information related to Lok Sabha.

Organisational Structure (Containing columns from Member parties & Organisational Structure)
Party Position Presence Leadership Committee Working Group
Party Colour Party Abbreviation Party Name Coordination and Election Strategy Campaign Media Social Media Research
from Member parties from Member parties from Member parties from Member parties from Member parties from Member parties from Organisational Structure from Organisational Structure from Organisational Structure from Organisational Structure from Organisational Structure
Member Parties (Containing columns from Member parties, Seat sharing summary from this list)
Party Position Presence Leadership 17th Lok Sabha 2024 General Election Changes
Party Colour Party Abbreviation Party Name 2019 General Election Results Seats before Election Contested Won Lost
from Member parties from Member parties from Member parties from Member parties from Member parties from Member parties from Member parties from Member parties from Seat sharing summary from Seat sharing summary from Seat sharing summary New

Wiki6995 (talk) 11:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My take is that information about party should be there. Like Party name, symbol, flag, leader and its political position. That's what matters. What they had in previous or current Lok Sabha is present on its page. And this is needed when someone wants to go deep. Now people will say that even name symbol leader and other things tok are in its article so why have them. For this I would say bcoz that's common and most important for a person to know about a party. I have arranged things according to that only. Also seats contesting and seat won are there in other section of the article. It shouldn't be repeated everywhere. ShaanSenguptaTalk 11:51, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

too long to read and navigate comfortably[edit]

too many expaned tables, diificult to understand anything. User4edits (talk) 06:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RLD joined INDIA Alliance[edit]

ISF of West Bengal and RLD joined INDIA alliance লাল সেলাম কমরেড (talk) 06:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hanuman's RLP লাল সেলাম কমরেড (talk) 06:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The logo of NCP[SP] is rendered with 800px width[edit]

All the other logos and flags are of the usual thumbnail size. The image needs to be embedded at the same size as the other images. Amitkannan (talk) 18:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2024[edit]

I would like to change the size of the image of the NCP[SP] logo in this table

File:TableofINDIApartieserror.png

Amitkannan (talk) 18:16, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done I changed this to the same size as the other flags, thanks. Jamedeus (talk) 18:27, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thanks Amitkannan (talk) 09:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2024[edit]

Member parties All India Trinamool Congress 2409:40E0:1037:400A:30AA:15FF:FEF9:B71B (talk) 18:01, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Shadow311 (talk) 19:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is TMC part of the alliance?[edit]

There is a debate and a edit war is raging on to decide wheather the Trinamool Congress party is still part of this alliance or not. Although it's chief Mamata Banerjee has declared to contest alone in election in her West Bengal state, the party is still not withdrawn formally from the alliance. Prospective members and editors please solve this deadlock on this matter through input of their valuable knowledge and starting a fruitful discussion with sources to back their claims. Thank you. Kalpesh Manna 2002 (talk) 06:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is the problem. There is no formal entry or exit in alliances like this. For example there was never a "formal" dissolving of Mahagathbandhan (Uttar Pradesh) but it doesn't exist anymore. The Trinamool Congress only really exists in the state of West Bengal and Mamata Banerjee is also the party leader, in fact a party supremo, so when she says "there is no India alliance", it indicates they are not a part of it. Beyond West Bengal, the party has some presence through Mukul Sangma in Meghalaya and even there they are separate. MrMkG (talk) 13:09, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support uncertain. It is a valid point that TMC has not formed alliance in Assam, West Bengal and Meghalaya states for this election with others. But it has ties with SP in Uttar Pradesh. As such I will suggest to keep the party in uncertain category for the time being. After the election when more information will became available we can decide wheather they are part of the alliance or not based on that. 2409:4060:2E07:AE4D:0:0:2E09:5607 (talk) 06:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the party is fighting alone it does not mean that they are not a part of alliance. They tied up in UP. They already announced that they are part of alliance but will fight alone in Bengal as there was a issue in seat sharing between INC and CPIM. ✠ ZenDragoX✠ (contact) 09:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. Political alliances in India are quite messy anyway. There is no guarantee one's alliance partner is going to support them in every election everytime. But still they can maintain this fragile alliance together. Like Indian National Congress and Communist Party of India (Marxist) alliance in various states and union territories in India. Kalpesh Manna 2002 (talk) 16:00, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant Sections[edit]

  • What is the point of List of current chief ministers in an alliance for General Elections?
  • Similarly, what is the point of Strength in legislative assemblies for GE?
  • Can the long table with more data in Member parties than in List of Indian National Developmental Inclusive Alliance members be replaced with a paragraph or two explaining the members, or just simply listing the members in Alphabetic order (with Main article:xxxxxx). Thanks, Please feel free to ping/mention -- User4edits (T) 15:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Wether this alliance is a electoral alliance or a long term political alliance can only be determined after the 2024 Indian general election on the basis of if it falls apart or not. For the timebeing list of chief ministers and state legislative assembly seats should remain there in the article. Kalpesh Manna 2002 (talk) 15:55, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with User4edits here. There is zero indication that this alliance would have any other purpose that contesting Lok Sabha elections. There is no coordination in state-level politics, so there is no relevance of listing Chief Minister or MLAs by this alliance. Same applies for NDA and UPA as well. --Soman (talk) 12:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hindi name[edit]

The name in Hindi appears to be completely WP:OR. I find no indication that this Hindi name is used outside of Wikipedia, rather it appears that wordings like "INDIA Gathbandhan" are used in Hindi-language press. -- Soman (talk) 14:08, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

VBA in no more part of I.N.D.I.A[edit]

pinging DSP2092, User:HapHaxion, Shaan_Sengupta, Arjun_Madathiparambil_Muraleedharan

Vanchit Bahujan Aghadi maharashtra based party have declared they are not in alliance and decleared their candidates also. but its still there in I.N.D.I.A. please do the needful. Eaglespirit (talk) 11:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any source? ✠ ZenDragoX✠ (contact) 13:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2024[edit]

Nithish kumar is currently not a part of INDI ALLIANCE so, remove his name 49.205.117.36 (talk) 12:27, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: He is listed as he was one of the founders, despite having left the alliance later. Liu1126 (talk) 13:27, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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