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In 1980, Ireland was the first European Union member state to endorse the establishment of a Palestinian state. In January 2011, Ireland accorded the Palestinian delegation in Dublin diplomatic status.*

[Jones, Ryan (26 January 2011). "Europe starts process of recognizing Palestine". Israel Today. Archived from the original on 12 November 2018. Retrieved 4 September 2011.]

See Wikipedia page for "Ireland–Palestine relations" 217.183.20.233 (talk) 01:55, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Are you requesting we add "In 1980, Ireland was the first European Union member state to endorse the establishment of a Palestinian state." before the "In January 2011, Ireland accorded the Palestinian delegation in Dublin diplomatic status" we already have in the article? Cannolis (talk) 04:51, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please change "aquiescence" to "acquiescence" in the lead. 2A02:3032:213:1D9B:94CE:228:15CC:1645 (talk) 21:59, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 03:23, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

140[edit]

Would be good to compare the list mentioned at:

Lederer, Edith M. (2024-04-03). "Palestinians seek full UN membership again, but US is almost certain to block it for a second time". AP News.

…to the list at this article. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:20, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not 140 of 193 UN members. It's 138 of 193 UN members plus 2 non-UN members (Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic and Vatican City) Please, correct it. Fernan860 (talk) 15:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Since Barbados has recognised Palestine today, these changes should be made.

Change " As of 4 April 2024, 140[clarification needed] of the 193 United Nations (UN) member states have recognized the State of Palestine." to " As of 19 April 2024, 141 of the 193 United Nations (UN) member states have recognized the State of Palestine."

And Barbados should be removed from the "No diplomatic recognition" table, and added to the "Diplomatic recognitions > UN members states" table with a line inserted like this: 139 Barbados 19 April 2023 Yes CARICOM, OAS

Sources: https://gisbarbados.gov.bb/blog/barbados-officially-recognises-palestine-as-a-state/ https://starcomnetwork.net/blog/2024/04/19/barbados-to-recognize-palestine/ Jlayne001 (talk) 01:33, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Semsûrî (talk) 08:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry but I have recounted the countries, and shouldn't it be "As of 19 April 2024, 139 of the 193 United Nations (UN) member states have recognized the State of Palestine."? The Holy See and SADR aren't even UN members. Underdwarf58 (talk) 13:26, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See this discussion, some disparity in the sources (pre-Barbados) as to whether it was 139 or 140. Selfstudier (talk) 17:04, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree. I think the next UN link: https://web.archive.org/web/20180927134802/http://palestineun.org/about-palestine/diplomatic-relations is the best source. It can be seen that in 2018 there were 137 UN States (including Vatican City/Holy See). After the recognition of Colombia, Saint Kitts and Nevis and now, Barbados (which do not appear on that UN list because it is not updated), there are 140 UN States (139 of the 193 full members plus Vatican City/Holy See)

By example, The New York Times says " 138 countries and the Holy See have recognized the State of Palestine." (before Barbados' recognition) (see https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/18/world/middleeast/palestinian-statehood-un-veto.html)

Other sources (before Barbados' recognition): https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-67231803 https://www.visualcapitalist.com/recognition-of-palestine-map/ Fernan860 (talk) 20:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, Here it cites Mansour saying "Mansour said these matters are urgent, following a veto by the US on a resolution to accept the State of Palestine as a full member of the United Nations. "When they vote on these resolutions they recognise the rights of the Palestinians, but we are asking them to recognise the State of Palestine as an existing reality.” He said to date, 141 countries have recognised Palestine as an independent state - Barbados has recently announced plans to officially recognise the State of Palestine." Selfstudier (talk) 18:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mexico recognized Palestine[edit]

When I searched "Why Mexico has yet to recognize Palestine," sources pop up saying that Mexico does recognize Palestine. Here's one article: https://jacobin.com/2023/07/mexico-amlo-israel-palestine-embassy-diplomacy . Correditor56 (talk) 05:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Recuerda que a pesar de que nuestro país mantiene relaciones diplomáticas con Palestina, no ha reconocido un Estado palestino y sólo se han firmado algunos acuerdos;" - Coordinación de Comunicación Social - INICIO - Senado. 26 July 2021 Sean.hoyland (talk) 05:59, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the recognition confusion re Mexico is more recent than that. It might be that Mansour in the section above is including Mexico in the 141 count, idk. Selfstudier (talk) 10:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As of October 2023, Mexico did not recognize Palestine[1]. Semsûrî (talk) 10:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This piece in the Jacobin contradicts that (btw that Telediario source says "Whether Echeverría Álvarez underestimated or unaware of the power of the Jewish community within the financial sector, in Hollywood and in the media in the United States,.... which is usually considered as an antisemitic trope).

We still need to figure out the 140/141 discrepancy, whether it be Mexico or something else. Selfstudier (talk) 10:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mansour does not explicitly state 141 "UN members" which could mean he includes the Holy See? Jamaica is counted as 140th UN member here[2]. Semsûrî (talk) 11:04, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of discrepancy, there's also some ambiguity surrounding Malta as they are planning on recognizing Palestine (again?).[3] Semsûrî (talk) 11:07, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the confusion may stem from the difference between recognisig a state (recognising its sovereignty) and recognising a government (accepting it as legitimate, i.e., maintaining diplomatic relations). Vide Afghanistan for instance which is recognised as a state by nearly all countries of the world, but its current government is recognised only partially. Not all journalists may understand the difference, either. — kashmīrī ^TALK 11:19, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's true but if you check the other discussion, there are several RS also using the higher figure. Selfstudier (talk) 11:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]