Talk:Irène Mélikoff

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The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure) Havelock Jones (talk) 08:23, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Irène Mélikoff → Irene Melikoff – The issues is with the use of è's. Irene Melikoff results (JSTOR, Google Scholar, Google Books), Irène Mélikoff results (JSTOR, Google Scholar, Google Books). 185.81.80.100 (talk) 08:25, 8 August 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 13:50, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support per well-sourced nomination. Although Irene Melikoff spent most of her life in France, she was not French, but Russian and, while her given name and Russian surname have been rendered with accents on French-language texts, those names have not been accented on her writings published in English, Turkish or other languages. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 09:36, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Very strong oppose WP:FRMOS she was French from the age of 2 years old, she spent all her notable life in France and we do not strip French people of the name because some pdfs with limited fonts. If we apply this logic we'll be going back to 2008 and stripping Serbian tennis players of their names because the wooden boards at Wimbledon can't cope with foreigners. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:23, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I also note that the IP from Azerbaijan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/185.81.80.100 has not contributed to en.wp before and that this appears to be a conflict of interest to claim a French notable as Azerbaijani when she left the Russian empire when a few weeks old. I assume good faith - but the IP should familiarize themselves with how en.wp works. All modern European bios are at full font on en.wp . Also we use sources that can take fonts, books not scholar, see Writing Religion: The Making of Turkish Alevi Islam page 256 by Markus Dressler · 2015 "The French Turkologist Irène Mélikoff (1917–2009), born in St. Petersburg as the daughter of an Azeri businessman who fled with his family to France in .." etc. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:34, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose. Oh dear: I’m afraid this is not a well-sourced nomination. If you click through and read the JSTOR or Google Book results that purportedly show her name as Irene Melikoff, many in fact include the accent marks. She was French and published enormously in France where she gave her name with accents (BNF). It strikes me as clearly improper for us to strip them, essentially for the reasons In ictu oculi names. Innisfree987 (talk) 06:42, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I have checked JSTOR myself and agree with Innisfree987 – a lot of cases in which a JSTOR search appears to show her name without accents, if you download the actual PDF the accents are there, it is just the transcription for the full text database has missed them. The proposer's case is based on a major misconception. Mr248 (talk) 06:34, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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