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Sina Zekavat (11 September 2019). "Persian Wikipedia: an independent source or a tool of the Iranian state?". openDemocracy. Retrieved 12 September 2019. The story began while I was reading the English Wikipedia page on 'Iranian involvement in Syrian Civil War'. Out of curiosity, I decided to compare the English version with the Persian one to see how much the two pages correlate or differ.
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Correct casualty rate[edit]

Casualties as per 2018: -549 Iranians -878 Afghans -116 Iraqis -112 Pakistanis

https://twitter.com/Alfoneh/status/984077389318717441

RedSparrow1 (talk) 21:41, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Those are only documented casualties as stated by Alfoneh himself. Other sources put the numbers at around 2,100 Iranians [1] and 2,000 Afghans [2]. EkoGraf (talk) 23:19, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You need to read the orginal article BBC on which those secondary sources have based their reporting carefully. They refer to defenders of the shrine, i.e. non-Iranian Shia militias.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/hundreds-iranians-have-been-killed-syria-why-does-tehran-fight-376313881

Julius IX (talk) 01:00, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Orphaned references in Iranian involvement in the Syrian Civil War[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Iranian involvement in the Syrian Civil War's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "businessinsider.com":

From Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant: Khosla, Simran (30 June 2014). "This Is What The World's Newest Islamic Caliphate Might Look Like". Business Insider. GlobalPost. Retrieved 22 July 2014.
From Russian military intervention in the Syrian Civil War: "Iran-backed Iraqi militias are pouring into Syria". Business Insider. 2 October 2015. Retrieved 3 October 2015.
From Qasem Soleimani: "Suleimani was present during battle for Amerli - Business Insider". Business Insider. 3 September 2014.

Reference named "plot":

From Qasem Soleimani: "How Iranian general plotted out Syrian assault in Moscow". Reuters. 6 October 2015. Retrieved 14 October 2015.
From Russian military intervention in the Syrian Civil War: "How Iranian general plotted out Syrian assault in Moscow". Reuters. 6 October 2015. Retrieved 14 October 2015.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 13:37, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Iranian involvement in the Syrian Civil War[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Iranian involvement in the Syrian Civil War's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "CNN":

From Northern Iraq offensive (June 2014): "Iraq's military claims victories; U.S. sends aircraft carrier to Gulf". CNN. 14 June 2014. Retrieved 14 June 2014.
From Basil al-Sayed: "Homs in grief after 'eye of truth' dies - CNN.com". Edition.cnn.com. Retrieved 2014-02-01.
From Houla massacre: Abedine, Saad; Roth, Yan,Richard; Holly; Sterling, Joe; Alkhshali Hamdi (May 26, 2012). "Syrian opposition begs for help after reported massacre". CNN. Archived from the original on May 26, 2012. Retrieved May 26, 2012. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)
From Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant: Abedine, Saad; Mullen, Jethro (28 February 2014). "Islamists in Syrian city offer Christians safety – at a heavy price". CNN. Retrieved 27 July 2014.
From Russian involvement in the Syrian Civil War: "UN Authorizes 300 unarmed Syria Monitors". CNN. 21 April 2012. Retrieved 22 April 2012.
From Hezbollah: Elise Labott and Henry Schuster (2006). "Lebanese media outlets' assets blocked". CNN.
From Quds Force: Brian Todd and Pam Benson, ed. (23 March 2010). "Taliban fighters training in Iran, U.S. officials say". CNN. Retrieved 18 May 2013.
From Russia-Syria-Iran-Iraq Coalition: Mullen, Jethro. "Iraq agrees to share intelligence with Russia, Iran and Syria". CNN. Retrieved September 28, 2015.
From Response of Saudi Arabia to ISIL: Fantz, Ashley (September 17, 2014). "Who is doing what in the coalition battle against ISIS?". CNN.com. Retrieved August 24, 2015.
From Mohamad Anas Haitham Soueid: "Syrian-born American held for spying" (October 12, 2011). CNN.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 08:18, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Iranian's reasons for involvement in the Syrian Civil War[edit]

It is better to add a section in the article as reasons of Iran in the Syrian Civil War. In this section, we must explain this reasons clearly.Saff V. (talk) 08:46, 12 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Involvement or support?[edit]

Iran is clearly taking part in the war, but i would like to ask whether its main role is supporting the Baath Government or it is in fact actively involved? I have the impression that sending logistic, financial and advisory aid warrants for support. Involvement of a limited number of volunteers and intelligence also doesn't imply active Iranian involvement. Thoughts? Sources?GreyShark (dibra) 17:17, 31 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The artcle now lists three sources indicating direct Iranian military casualties in the war. IMHO that's clearly "involvement" to me. Orenwolf (talk) 16:00, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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gatestone institute as a source for strength[edit]

Wikaviani I have removed two sources which are from this institute that has been reporting "false news" and known for being "Anti-Muslim" per its article in Wikipedia if you have any objection discuss it here. Thanks--SharabSalam (talk) 02:24, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nihlus1 Please help. I couldnt find in the fourth paragraph the source that says there are ~70,000 Iranian and pro-Iran foreign nationals fighting in Syria and I also couldnt find the source for the 15,000+ Iranian in Syrian could you provide the sources here? Please note that this article is under active community sanctions.Thanks--SharabSalam (talk) 02:40, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, it was the fifth paragraph. As the article text notes the estimates were from Gatestone.--Nihlus1 (talk) 02:56, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Nihlus1: Which is? unreliable source!!!!!. Are you actually talking for real or you didnt notice? I have removed that source because of that issue it is unreliable and now you say that the source is what I have removed? please explain this!--SharabSalam (talk) 03:43, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SharabSalam: Actually, I found a better source. As I posted in the current article, an Iranian brigadier general publicly announced in August 2017 that 25% of the soldiers that Iran had sent to Syria were killed or injured. In March 2017, the head of Iran’s veterans’ affairs office released some figures showing that over 2,100 Iranian soldiers were killed in Syria. The Aawswat article, which claims to be quoting official Iranian data (again, I haven't seen the original statement, I'm dependent on English-language sources reporting it), also says that these figures included "over 7,000" wounded on top of the 2,100 dead. Taken together, this would be some 9,100 Iranians killed or wounded, who per the general's words account for 25% of the total who were sent; therefore their total strength, up to mid-2017, should have been around 36,000.--Nihlus1 (talk) 08:53, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]