Talk:Isaac I Komnenos

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A fact from Isaac I Komnenos appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 6 October 2018 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that two years after winning the throne of the Byzantine Empire in battle, Isaac I voluntarily abdicated and retired to a monastery?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2018/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Isaac I Komnenos.

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Death?[edit]

I'm reading John Julius Norwich' A Short History of Byzantium, which states:

His only recreation was the chase, into which he flung himself with the same tireless determination; and it was while hunting that, towards the end of 1059, he contracted the fever that was to bring about his early death.

Back at Blachernae, the dying Emperor nominated as his successor -- almost certainly at the instigation of Psellus -- Constantine Ducas, the most aristocratic of that group of intellectuals who had been responsible for reviving the university a few years before. Then he had himself carried to the Studium, where he adaopted the monk's habit and where, a few days later, he died.

Whereas the article claims that Isaac lived in a monastery for a few years before his death. Does anyone know if Norwich is correct? (Based on the article's claim that Comnenus died in 1061 and Norwich claim that he got the fever in 1059, I'm guessing the article is correct, and Norwich means "a few years later".) Neilc 3 July 2005 08:51 (UTC)

Whose previous strict government?[edit]

We have in the last paragraph that Komnenos wanted to restore the government to its strict form. What dynasty is that earlier period? — Preceding unsigned comment added by OWiseWun (talk • contribs) 23:24, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

CE[edit]

Tidied prose, a few typos, Issac auto ed added to citations.Keith-264 (talk) 16:55, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Iazyges (talk · contribs) 06:06, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Will start soon. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 06:06, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Iazyges:, I am currently engaged in expanding/rewriting the article considerably, as part of my Komnenian biographies project. If you or Gog the Mild don't mind putting the review a couple of weeks on hold, I will be able to go through with this. Thanks. Constantine ✍ 15:42, 18 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Cplakidas: No problem. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 04:01, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cplakidas I wonder if Iazyges is able to continue his assessment, as it has been 10 days since your last edit on this article? Gog the Mild (talk) 18:52, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gog the Mild, I am not done yet, the entire reign section is untouched. I am on holiday and consequently with little time and only rarely a good internet connection, so please be patient. Next week I will be back home and able to work more efficiently. Constantine ✍ 19:18, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Cplakidas: Not a problem. Just checking. Enjoy your holiday. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:29, 3 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Iazyges and Gog the Mild, I am done, at least enough for the GA to proceed. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 16:41, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Prose Suggestions[edit]

Please note that all of these are suggestions, and can be implemented or ignored at your discretion.

Lead[edit]

He made his name as a successful military commander I've not seen this variation of "made a name for himself"; it could very possibly be entirely valid and I've just missed it. Else, I suggest:
He made a name for himself as a successful military commander or He gained renown as a successful military commander.

A quick Google shows 7,000,000 examples of "He made his name" and I prefer the nuance of that terminology, so am leaving it.

While Isaac was willing to accept a compromise solution by being appointed Michael's heir, a powerful faction in Constantinople, led by the ambitious Patriarch of Constantinople, Michael Keroularios, pressured Michael to abdicate. On 1 September 1057, Isaac was crowned emperor in the Hagia Sophia. IMO this only implies that Michael did in fact abdicate, rather than state it outright, suggest:
While Isaac was willing to accept a compromise solution by being appointed Michael's heir, a powerful faction in Constantinople, led by the ambitious Patriarch of Constantinople, Michael Keroularios, pressured Michael to abdicate. After Michael abdicated on 30 August 1057, Isaac was crowned emperor in the Hagia Sophia on 1 September.

Quite right. Good spot.

Revolt[edit]

Once in the Anatolic Theme, however, he quarreled with the army treasurer, threw him in prison, and appropriated the funds to pay his soldiers as he saw fit. suggest removing the however, here, as you use it in the preceding sentence, and it isn't really necessary.

Agreed.

and to accord Isaac additional honours above those of Caesar, setting him up almost as a co-emperor. suggest adding (symbasileus) after co-emperor.

Done.

Reign[edit]

that Keroularios was influenced by Papal theories and conceived of the secular and clerical powers as co-equal. may desire to find a way to link Symphonia (theology), an article that is on the subject of a theory of the peaceful balance of church and state.

Excellent. Done. Thank you. Gog the Mild (talk) 09:37, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Gog the Mild: That is all my suggestions, passing now. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 03:07, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot to both of you for your contributions here :). Best, Constantine ✍ 13:16, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]