Talk:Isaac L. Rice Mansion

Isaac L. Rice Mansion is currently an Art and architecture good article nominee. Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 14:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

An editor has indicated a willingness to review the article in accordance with the good article criteria. Further reviews are welcome from any editor who has not contributed significantly to this article (or nominated it), and can be added to the review page, but the decision whether or not to list the article as a good article should be left to the first reviewer.

Short description: Mansion in Manhattan, New York

Architecture Low‑importance

	Architecture portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Architecture, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Architecture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ArchitectureWikipedia:WikiProject ArchitectureTemplate:WikiProject ArchitectureArchitecture articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

New York City Low‑importance

	New York City portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject New York City, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of New York City-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New York CityWikipedia:WikiProject New York CityTemplate:WikiProject New York CityNew York City articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Historic sites Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Historic sites, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of historic sites on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Historic sitesWikipedia:WikiProject Historic sitesTemplate:WikiProject Historic sitesHistoric sites articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

National Register of Historic Places Low‑importance

	National Register of Historic Places portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject National Register of Historic Places, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of U.S. historic sites listed on the National Register of Historic Places on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.National Register of Historic PlacesWikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic PlacesTemplate:WikiProject National Register of Historic PlacesNational Register of Historic Places articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

A fact from Isaac L. Rice Mansion appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 May 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the New York City government sought to demolish a wall around the Isaac L. Rice Mansion for five years?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/May. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Isaac L. Rice Mansion.

Wikipedia

Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 20:23, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(

Comment or view
Article history

)

The Isaac L. Rice Mansion

... that the Isaac L. Rice Mansion was occupied by the Rices for less than a decade? Source: Gray, Christopher (August 24, 1997). "A Fading Reminder of Turn-of-the-Century Elegance".
- ALT1: ... that the Isaac L. Rice Mansion was occupied by the Rices for four years? Source: Gray, Christopher (August 24, 1997). "A Fading Reminder of Turn-of-the-Century Elegance".
- ALT2: ... that an attempt to protect the Isaac L. Rice Mansion was marked by "suggestions of antisemitism"? Source: Haberman, Clyde (May 30, 1980). "Yeshiva Tries to Void Status as Landmark; Landmark Designation Pits Yeshiva Against Neighbors Mansion Built in 1901 Statements Labeled as Unfair Viewed as Test of Law". The New York Times
- ALT3: ... that the New York City government sought to demolish a wall around the Isaac L. Rice Mansion for five years? Source: "Encroach on Sidewalks: City Authorities to Press Cases of Unlawful Construction". New-York Tribune. May 27, 1906. p. A3; "To Clear Greeley Square: Court Orders Park Commissioner to Remove Show Cases". New-York Tribune. June 17, 1911. p. 7.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WEDU
- Comment: More hooks later

Created by Epicgenius (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 651 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Epicgenius (talk) 16:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: ALT2 is not really suitable in this form, since it's not clear who it's accusing of antisemitism, but any other hook would be fine. Smurrayinchester 11:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review. For what it's worth, I initially didn't really think the tugboat thing was that interesting (it has to do more with people protesting Julia Rice, who just so happened to live in the house). I might consider a hook about it later, though. Epicgenius (talk) 12:46, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually what about this?

ALT4: ... that tugboat operators protested outside the Isaac L. Rice Mansion after Julia Barnett Rice formed a committee to protest unnecessary noise? Epicgenius (talk) 12:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll mark this as ready, and let the admin decide which hook to use. Thanks for the quick reply! Smurrayinchester 14:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Isaac L. Rice Mansion/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Epicgenius (talk · contribs) 14:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 07:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Will pick up this review in due time.--ZKang123 (talk) 07:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing and spot checks[edit]

Earwig highlights some phrases which are place names and so on. Though there's one of main concern:
- Source says: "the house was completed in 1903. Isaac Rice called it Villa Julia, after his wife." which is too similar to: "When the house was completed in 1903, Rice called it "Villa Julia" after his wife."

A detailed source spot check would follow.

Images[edit]

All photos are under CC-BY or BY-SA licensed, some of which are taken by the nominator.

Copy changes[edit]

Lead[edit]

is a mansion at 346 West 89th Street and Riverside Drive on the Upper West Side of Manhattan in New York City. – This part is a bit wordy. I suggest is a mansion on the Upper West Side of Manhattan in New York City. then move the part about its exact location somewhere else, like in another sentence.
yeshiva, or Jewish school, – I think it's not needed to explain what a yeshiva is here given you wikilinked it
The facade is made of brick and marble and is four stories high, with an attic and basement – The brick and marble facade is four stories high with an attic and basement.
was intentionally designed – remove "intentionally"
Although various subsequent tenants – remove "various"
hired Herts and Tallant to design a house there – hired Herts and Tallant as the house's architects
The Rice family decided to move to the Ansonia Hotel in 1907 and sold it to the tobacconist Solomon Schinasi, whose family modified the house in 1908, 1912, and 1927. – When the Rice family moved to the Ansonia Hotel in 1907, they sold it to the tobacconist Solomon Schinasi...
There has been architectural commentary of the house over the years. – positive or negative?

More to come.--ZKang123 (talk) 04:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking up the review. I've addressed all of the above so far. – Epicgenius (talk) 22:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]