Talk:Isabelle Dinoire

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There is a new article with picture here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4685202.stm PiffPuffPickle 12:18, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yet two other pictures are in this French article. All three photos are in my opinion better than the paparazzi snapshot, but they are copyrighted by Agence France-Presse. Is there a chance to get the permission to use one of them? Benzh 00:00, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Picture of the person who's face it is

Does anyone have a pic of the original person's face? It would be intersting to compare how it looked on different people.

There is a low quality picture of Maryline Saint-Aubert, the donor, and also Isabelle at http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005580578,00.html

After the attack

What happended to her dog later? I presume it was put to sleep (deservingly...).

I believe it was, and against Isabelle's wishes too(though I can't find any sources for this) Jamandell (d69) 22:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why would the dog had deserved to die if Isabelle had attempted to commit suicide and the loyal dog was doing whatever it could to try and revive her. Would have been better if the dog had been a good little boy and let her die...actually it probably would have been..everyone would be better off all round. Labradors are particularily intelligent and loyal dogs and are not known for random acts of violence.

This is what someone told me... "She wasnt sleeping. She overdosed on her medication, and the dog was trying to wake her up, but misjudged its own strength and ended up taking off a part of her face. Had the dog not woken her up, she most likely would've died." Is this true? jeffk --24.86.4.9 05:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I found out, but I think the dog deserved something better than death, as getting a fatal wound on your face is a better than dying from an overdose of meds. jeffk --24.86.4.9 05:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Was the dog euthanized? For what reason? Does the reason have anything to do with the incident. This sounds too Weaslish. J-puppy (talk) 07:29, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The dog was euthanized according to the article here: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article192378.ece Figmo (talk) 06:59, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've added text and sources outlining that the dog was ordered to be euthanized against Dinoire's wishes, and the family does not blame the dog for what happened.--Gloriamarie (talk) 17:02, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life

>>According to The Australian, she has signed a contract with British documentary maker Michael Hughes that could make her more than £100,000 from the sale of photographs and a film of the operation.<<

In my opinion this statement has very little to do with her "claim to fame" -if you please. At best the merits of this article is simply that she "was the first person to undergo a partial face transplant". This statement smacks more of a supermarket drama tabloid than something you would find in Encyclopedia Britannica. At best her personal finances or business dealings are none of our business, at worst an inflammatory bias. —Preceding unsigned comment added by J-puppy (talk • contribs) 07:00, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Recovery

>> It was reported on January 18, 2006 that Dinoire has used her new lips to continue smoking, which doctors fear will cause the face tissue in her transplant to be rejected.^[1] Exactly one year following the partial face transplant, Dinoire stated she had the ability to smile again. On November 28, 2006, Dinoire's surgeon, Bernard Devauchelle, said that over the past year Dinoire’s scars had become far less prominent.^[2]<<

I removed ::It was reported on January 18, 2006 that Dinoire has used her new lips to continue smoking, which doctors fear will cause the face tissue in her transplant to be rejected.^[3]:: 'used her new lips to continue smoking'? This is pure tabloid drama unworthy of any encyclopedia. It is ambiguous as to cause or relevance. It is also contradictory to the entire remainder of this section. I include it here in case someone strongly disagrees. —Preceding unsigned comment added by J-puppy (talk • contribs) 08:12, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

Partial face transplant

The second paragraph in this section is fraught with unsubstantiated allegations. The sole source in this paragraph also refers to:

>>The debate has pitted one doctor against another and sent tabloids in Britain into a frenzy.<< [emphasis mine] Wikipedia is not a tabloid.

and

>>Meanwhile, doctors say that the carnival atmosphere is complicating the recovery of the woman,[...]<< [emphasis mine] Wikipedia is not a carnival either.

>>"He said he would not have taken the tissue if he thought that she had hanged herself because of the risk that the blood vessels of the face may have been damaged."<< is stated in the original source but the author of this section instead wrote "if he had known" a subtle but important -and I believe intentional- distinction that changes the implications.

The author of this section conspicuously failed to include professional or academic titles to the gentlemen on the opposing side of the POV as either Doctors or Professors which would have clarified matters perhaps and validated their opinions. Instead they were simply referred to as Dubernard and Devauchelle rather than as Dr. Dubernard and Dr. Devauchelle when being quoted. I don't believe this 'oversight' was accidental.

This is slanderous tabloid trash talk -in my opinion- way below what we all wish for wikipedia. J-puppy (talk) 09:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

wow ok, I've been reading the help pages on how to wiki things and I think I've been a dick here and not assumed good faith. its my first time on a talk page, I'm sorry but its way to late at night for me to rethink these last few hours of ... stuff. I'll do better in the future. promise. J-puppy (talk) 09:52, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, I reworked the section to state who said what. WhisperToMe (talk) 07:44, 20 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The "sole source" that those quotes are taken from is the New York Times, not a shabby source by any means.--Gloriamarie (talk) 17:14, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mutilation incident

What do 'neutrality disputed' and 'disambiguation needed' refer to under Mutilation incident? The two disclaimers make little sense to me where they're placed.Hexocain (talk) 22:12, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. Neither of these tag make sense in that particular context. Also the one added here is unnecessary; the article isn't about face transplants in general, it's about Isabelle Dinoire. --InsufficientData (talk) 15:39, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They don't make sense; I've added a few other sources and removed the tags.--Gloriamarie (talk) 16:59, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Euthanized"?

I was under the impression that to euthanase someone or something means to kill them to relieve their pain. Killing a healthy dog because it mauled someone isn't euthanasia by this definition - justified, yes, but not euthanasia. I imagine plenty of dogs are killed after mauling someone because they're rabid - in which case killing them is merciful - but there's no indication that this dog was diseased in any way.

Unless I've misinterpreted any of the above I think "put down" or just "killed" should be used. --109.154.165.156 (talk) 12:05, 27 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Donor? What?

This article keeps talking about a "donor", I'm confused.--50.99.218.140 (talk) 13:31, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

When people get organs and tissue transplants, where do you think they come from? —Мандичка^YO 😜 19:30, 6 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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