Talk:J. Paul Getty Trust/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Adabow (talk · contribs) 07:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

• No dablinks or dead ELs
• The article is a little bit underlinked; things such as trust, board of trustees, Attorney General should be linked -links added
• The lead needs a bit of expansion; per MOS:LEAD it should summarise the entire article - see below
• With the first monetary figure, provide the currency (ie [[United States dollar|US$]]) - done
• "The Getty Leadership Institute at Claremont Graduate University" should be unbolded - done
• "and was conceived as early as 1983" - this is a bit weasel. Was the idea of the institute thought of in 1983, or did it begin in 1983w. Be more explicit. Also "as early as" is waffly - it was first discussed in 1983 with the first director hired in 1985.
• "Board of Trustees" should be in lowercase. - done
• The final paragraph is very short (2 sentences) and therefore looks awkward - see below
• Reference formatting needs a bit of work. It's not part of the GA criteria (so I won't fail review because of this) but references' publishers should be linked where appropriate, online sources need access dates and print sources need page numbers. Some references do not even list their publishers

Some references list the publishing institution as publisher and others list them as author or work. All online sources have access dates.

Review is on hold for seven days. Adabow (talk · contribs) 09:21, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Proposed additions

I want to make two additions to the article. If they meet your approval, I will get them cleared and added to article space. Add a second paragraph to the lead:

With an estimated 1.3 million visitors per year, the trust operates one of the most visited museums in the United States. The trust also provides grants and training to other museums and cultural institutions. The trust has an extensive library, publications program and visiting scholar program. The trust's conservation program has world-wide scope is dedicated to advancing conservation practice through the creation and delivery of knowledge. However, since 2008, the trust has scaled back the scope of its activities in response to financial challenges.

Add to the start of the last paragraph:

The trust was hurt by the economic downturn following 2007 and has reduced its programs accordingly annual budget by 14%.

I would also add "down from $349 million in 2008." at the end of the last sentence. Racepacket (talk) 16:46, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Provided the facts are referenced, sure. I am a bit worried about violating WP:NPOV and WP:WEASEL. Is "extensive" necessary? "The trust's conservation program has world-wide scope. However, since 2008, the trust has scaled back the scope of its activities in response to financial challenges." and "has reduced its programs accordingly." - these are quite vague. Please go into specifics. What is "world-wide scope"? What programs has it reduced? Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:16, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh, to the lead? Some of this information I cannot see in the article's body, and the lead must not contain any new information. Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:18, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

We are running into "summary style" challenges here. There are already extensive and detailed articles on each separate component that is funded by the trust. I took the lead of each of those articles and added them to the programs section of this article. I am now trying to expand the lead of this article to summarize those summaries. I have changed the proposed second paragraph to the lead above. It was a 14% budget cut that resulted (among other things) in transferring an art database project to Columbia University and transferring a museum leadership training program to Claremont Graduate University. Are the above changes sufficient? Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 11:12, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I would add at the end of the budget cutting paragraph, "For example, GRI co-produced the Avery Index to Architectural Periodicals with the [[Avery Architectural and Fine Arts Library]], but transferred that activity to [[Columbia University]] on July 1, 2009.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://library.columbia.edu/news/libraries/2009/20090701_averyindex.html|title=Avery Index Returns to Columbia University|publisher=Columbia University|date=July 1, 2009|accessdate=May 26, 2011}}</ref>" Racepacket (talk) 11:24, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good. Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:24, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the clearance. We should be good to go. Racepacket (talk) 04:33, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

I am passing the article now. I have just one more comment: the "aim" in the infobox should be referenced, and placed in quote marks if it is a quote. Nice work. Adabow (talk · contribs) 04:39, 8 June 2011 (UTC)