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A fact from Jaguar C-X75 appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 October 2010 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that to honour Jaguar Cars' 75th anniversary, the carmaker developed the Jaguar C-X75, a plug-in hybrid two-seat concept car which debuted at the 2010 Paris Motor Show?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2010/October.

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Real or not real

errrm ... seriously guys, it's a concept car. that means, currently, that it doesn't actually have turbines in it! anybody feel like editing this breathless article to reflect reality? 15:53, 12 December 2010 110.175.57.184

It doesn't mean that at all. Some concept cars are sketches, some are painted bodyshells, some are non-production hand-made one-offs, but basically drivable cars as described. I have no idea what state the Jaguar is at, but as you aren't citing any refs yourself, I doubt that you do either. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:45, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

'Concept car' just means that it is demonstrating a concept. As Andy said, it may be real or just a mockup but this is not inherent in the term 'concept car'. The only concrete thing that can be said is that it is not a production car - at least not yet. I followed up all the references and everyone of them had terms like 'is', 'does', 'has' - all in the present tense. Combined with photos taken at the auto show that show a very real looking car and no mention of words like 'mockup' and 'will have', I take this to mean that the car is a very real and complete one-off. Stepho (talk) 14:06, 12 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is drivable. CAR magazine's European editor Georg Kacher drove it, turbines and all, in Spain shortly after the 2010 Paris show. Not very far, or very fast, but enough to prove that it works. Mr Larrington (talk) 14:21, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can you supply the reference for this? Thanks. Stepho talk 16:23, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's in a 2010 issue of CAR magazine but I can't remember off the top my head which issue. I'll try to remember to dredge it out over this weekend. Mr Larrington (talk) 15:03, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's all a bit subjunctive now

Given the cancellation of the production version should we (a) eliminate the detailed speculative claims for the performance of the production car or (b) find some way of wording it so as to indicate that the claims will never be put to the test? Greglocock (talk) 00:01, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fully agree. I will go with option b.--Mariordo (talk) 00:30, 13 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

should we really list how many cars got made due to conflicting information

I ask this question due to conflicting info from WAE (who worked on the cars ) a Jaguar official photo, Kaaimans(who are selling one of the cars), the bond car book and Ian Callum. The WAE website says six and seven cars were produced however that is contradictory info due to Jaguar photographing 6 of them in an official photo. we also have Kaaimans who is selling one of the cars saying there are "four stunt cars built" However in the Bond Car book, it says there is 7 but doesn't distinguish between V8-powered stunt cars and the engineering prototypes and then we come to Ian Callum who said in two part article posted by The Intercooler titled Creating the Jaguar C-X75 he claims that four were built specifically for the film. Aidenbliss789 (talk) 20:06, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Aidenbliss789, if you can cite reliable sources supporting those different numbers, then a summary of the confusion could be written in the article maybe? -- DeFacto (talk). 20:47, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

well we have photos from the set of bond and the photos released by jaguar the Kaaimans auction page itself , The WAE website and the bond book of cars written by Jason Barlow previously of topgear and of channel 4 driven and we have the words of Ian Callum in his Intercooler article so we have sources Aidenbliss789 (talk) 21:42, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Aidenbliss789, can you give the links for each of these sources so we can consider them? -- DeFacto (talk). 22:03, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

here is the link to the bond car book by Jason Barlow - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bond-Cars-Definitive-Jason-Barlow/dp/1785945149

here is the link to Kaaimans - https://www.kaaimans.com/current-stock/11470504-jaguar-c-x75-spectre-chassis-001/

here is the link to WAE - https://wae.com/casestudies/spectre-stunt-cars/

Here is the link to the official photo i talk about- https://car-images.bauersecure.com/wp-images/76/1040x0/0jaguarc-x75spectre.jpg?scale=down

and finally here is the link to the Ian callum article part 1 and 2 - https://www.the-intercooler.com/library/features/creating-the-jaguar-c-x75-part-one/

https://www.the-intercooler.com/library/features/creating-the-jaguar-c-x75-part-two/ Aidenbliss789 (talk) 22:13, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the nowiki tags from your post because they turned useful links into deadweight. It's usually against policy to edit someone else's post but exceptions are allowed for basic formatting.

Looks to me like we have 1 concept car (by Jaguar) and 6 replicas (by WAE as Bond stunt cars). The count of 4 can obviously be ignored due to the photo of 6 stunt cars. Was the original concept car used in the Bond film or was it merely inspiration for the replicas? The replicas were fully functional cars but were they mechanically similar to the concept car or were they skin-deep, look-a-like copies? I'm assuming WAE had Jaguar's blessing to build them but did Jaguar have any input besides inspiration? Stepho talk 22:06, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

well from what i gather from this top gear mag article from 2015 "They build seven. Two are ‘star cars’, cosmetically perfect specimens with proper glitzy interiors; the other five are grafters, used for skidding about and doing the fun stuff" (https://www.topgear.com/car-news/bond-cars/bond-special-driving-spectres-very-evil-jaguar-c-x75) . Also i have been looking into what Jaguars input was other than the inspiration for the car and have come across only four things that jaguar did and that was to pick a handful of engineers to work with WAE as stated in the cars official development video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKAfScAxCDQ&ab_channel=Autocar) they also provided and developed the the C-X75’s 1.6-litre petrol four-pot along with providing jaguars own electric motors and they also worked on the cars cooling based around the jet turbines (https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/jaguar/c-x75-2013-2015)

I also looked into what the WAE partnership with Jaguar was autocar say its an engineering partnership(https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/jaguar/c-x75-2013-2015) whereas Jaguar themselves call WAE a development partner (https://media.jaguar.com/news/2013/06/jaguar-c-x75-hybrid-supercar-prototype-showcases-technology-future)

Also thanks for fixing the formatting and let me know if i missed anything Aidenbliss789 (talk) 22:19, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Remove combined HP

There is no reason to cite the total combined power output of 890bhp, as it would never have been used. Adding several engines output is for hybrid cars using an ICE and electric motor in parallel (and even then, the sum is usually less than both maximums added, normally they aren't produced at coincident engine rpms). This car is basically a "electric transmission", as used in trains and mining trucks, so the prototype's max usable power is the max electric motor power, not the sum of electric and ICE together. Both powers should be mentioned, and the combined output deleted. 181.74.137.206 (talk) 06:42, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, its a series hybrid, not a parallel hybrid. You can click the link in "parallel hybrid" that takes you to the plug in hybrid page and look into the article for a short description of the different types. This car is series. 181.74.137.206 (talk) 06:50, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Edited a lot of this, added new reference to https://www.jaguar.in/about-jaguar/concept-cars/cx75.html. Fixed the table, ordered it and fixed stuff in the main writing. By the way, care has to be taken, as concept is a series hybrid, but the prototypes were parallel hybrids, with a 7 speed transmission. Totally different specs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.74.137.206 (talk) 06:12, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]