Talk:Jambi Sultanate

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Jambi History[edit]

The info I added and the one NmWT removed is related to the Jambi Sultanate history. It mentioned its relationship between Jambi and Chinese and Dutch. I do not see the justification of the info removal. Yaujj13 (talk) 06:33, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The content you added here is off-topic. The conflict between Chinese and Dutch has no straightforward connection to Jambi Sultanate. Simoooix.haddi did a self-revert to confirm my revert. That means he thought your edits are inappropriate as well. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 06:43, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The 1st paragraph he added is about the relationship between ancient China and Jambi written from a Chinese POV.
The 1st part of the 2nd paragraph he added is the "disputed content": Local Muslim women who dealt in the cloth trade willingly married Han Chinese men in Palembang and Jambi and also local Muslim women in Banten married Han Chinese men. The Han Chinese men converted to Islam to please their Muslim wives. The same Muslim women refused to deal or even meet with Dutch men especially in Palembang since the Dutch were infamous for sexually abusing indigenous Muslim women. I'm not sure why he inserted such kind of sentences here. It's an off-topic POV under the "History" section of Jambi Sultanate.
The other parts of the 2nd paragraph he added is about the conflict between Chinese, Thai and Dutch. It's written from a Chinese POV. The Jambi is only a part of background. Such kind of content should be included in a related article about the conflict itself. He may link that article here if he want.
The other paragraphs he added are written from a Chinese POV as well, such as Commerce in Jambi was dominated by Chinese merchants and local Jambi people also benefited from renting out to rubber plantations.

NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 08:14, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think these Chinese POVs are obvious and that's why Simoooix.haddi made self-reverts.

The point is that Yaujj13 have recently put such kind of Chinese POVs everywhere since the edit Special:Diff/1147320259 in 30 March 2023. The articles affected by his Chinese POVs include Peranakans, Chinese Filipino, Tausūg people, Chinese Indonesians, Japanese migration to Indonesia, Japanese war crimes, Persecution of Muslims, Sangley, Moro Rebellion, Moro conflict, Jambi Sultanate and Han Chinese.

The content he added to these articles sound like Han chauvinism and Chinese nationalism propaganda. I notice that Yaujj13 work in Fandom wikis, as mentioned in his user page. He may need to be reminded of the difference of policy between Wikipedia and Fandom. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 10:15, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of the rulers of Jambi section[edit]

Hello, i have removed the rulers section in the Jambi Sultanate because i have an article named "List of sultans of Jambi" Syazwi Irfan (talk) 17:49, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jambian/Jambinese, not Jambi Malay[edit]

Syazwi Irfan, a demonym is a word used to refer to people from a specific region. Some examples are Turkish for people from Turkey, French for people from France, and Bruneian for people from Brunei. The demonym for the Jambi Sultanate is not Jambi Malay. People from the Jambi Sultanate were not all referred to as Jambi Malays.
The Jambi Sultanate was a very heterogenous state, and not all of its' population were of Malay origin (See this link for more.) Although many of Jambi's population was Malay and they would be referred to as Jambi Malay, again, this does not represent the whole population of Jambi. It is also not mentioned in academic contexts to refer to people from the Jambi Sultanate, [1] it is only mentioned in ethnic and linguistic terms to describe ethnic Malays from Jambi.
Now, as far as actual terminologies used to describe the population of Jambi, there are two main ones that I have found: Jambian (Mentioned in some of the following sources: [2] [3] [4] [5] ), and Jambinese (Mentioned in some of the following sources: [6] [7] [8] [9]). It is for this reason that I have reverted your edit. I hope that you now understand. Kailanmapper (talk) 13:15, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]