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The result of the move request was: No move. There is consensus that the current disambiguation is adequate and that the proposed is potentially misleading. Cúchullain t/c 14:20, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]



James Freedman (magician)James Freedman (pickpocket) – James Freedman was formerly a magician but is now known predominantly for his skill and knowledge as a pickpocket. His books, DVDs, credits and TV appearances plus his website pickpocket.co.uk all evidence this. Phenella (talk) 15:28, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • It should be James Freedman (pickpocket), per WP:NCCAPS. --BDD (talk) 16:35, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, is he a real pickpocket, i.e. a criminal, or is he just a magician whose act consists of pickpocketing? When the article says he "picked the pockets of the Mayor of London, The Chancellor of the Exchequer and The Governor of The Bank of England," does that mean he did so in part of a show or that he actually stole from them? The distinction seems importnat. --BDD (talk) 16:38, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - he's not a real pickpocket. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:15, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. Prestidigitators who specialize in this kind of effect really are known as "pickpockets", in part as a cover for the fact that they aren't necessarily pickpocketing anyone - they might use a shill or confederate to produce the illusion that they are skilled at pickpocketing. On the other hand, Freedman also calls himself a "magician" specifically [1], so the generic term seems fine. 168.12.253.66 (talk) 18:02, 28 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment add the criminal biography wikiproject banner. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:15, 30 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per IP. Even if he can be accurately called a pickpocket despite not being a criminal, I'm concerned with the ways in which that term could be misleading. Not necessarily BLP, if the subject self-identifies as a pickpocket, but the simple fact that when I see Foo Barson (pickpocket), I expect an article on a criminal, not a magician. If Freedman steadfastly referred to himself as a pickpocket rather than a magician, I could support this move; as such, (magician) is accurate and used by the subject. No need to move. --BDD (talk) 18:47, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Freedman is more pickpocket than magician. Page should be renamed to James Freedman (pickpocket) or James Freedman (entertainer) to reflect this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.19.245.25 (talk) 15:29, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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More advertisement than fact

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: move the page to James Freedman at this time, per the discussion below. For the time being, I have retained the disambiguation page at James Freedman (disambiguation) and added an "other people" hatnote to the article. Dekimasuよ! 18:43, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]



James Freedman (pickpocket) → ? – There was a move request in 2013, whose result is to keep using "magician". It was nevertheless moved to "pickpocket" in 2015. I think it should be moved back to "magician"My preference changed in light of the comments below. Dokurrat (talk) 12:00, 11 July 2018 (UTC) or use "entertainer", as not only the 2015 move was done without discussion when there was such a discussion before, but also the subject of this article does not steal for real. Dokurrat (talk) 11:46, 29 June 2018 (UTC) (modified) --Relisting. bd2412 T 22:28, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]


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