Talk:James House (singer)

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– The only other entities with the exact name "James House" are James House (Rogers, Arkansas) and James House (Pensacola, Florida), which both have less than one page view per day. The singer has over 25. Everything else on the dab page James House except for the singer's album is a partial title match with at least one word other than "James House" in the title. From this evidence, it's abundantly clear that the singer is by far the most common result for people looking for the exact name "James House", and should therefore be the primary topic. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 00:31, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom (pageviews). Station1 (talk) 20:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This distinction of exact name vs partial title matches is odd. If any of these places aren't actually known as James House, why are they even listed there? Conversely, if the places are known to our readers as such, why would we not include them as legitimate topics in the discussion of this ambiguity?

Let's apply the fine WP:DPT guideline and have a look at the usage aspect. Here's what I found in the page views: all-time monthly page views for the disambiguation page and the singer, all-time mass views of all items linked from the list and in the clickstreams:

clickstreams snapshot

From the meta:Research:Wikipedia clickstream archive:

clickstream-enwiki-2017-11.tsv:

James_House James_House_(singer) link 18
total: 18 to 1 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2020-11.tsv:

James_House James_House_(singer) link 11
total: 11 to 1 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2022-05.tsv:

James_House James_House_(singer) link 11
total: 11 to 1 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-07.tsv:

total: to 0 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-08.tsv:

total: to 0 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-09.tsv:

total: to 0 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-10.tsv:

total: to 0 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-11.tsv:

total: to 0 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2023-12.tsv:

total: to 0 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-01.tsv:

total: to 0 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-02.tsv:

total: to 0 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-03.tsv:

total: to 0 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-04.tsv:

total: to 0 identified destinations

clickstream-enwiki-2024-05.tsv:

total: to 0 identified destinations

So, the singer's article gets some viewership, but it's not particularly significant (the page about the architects of one of those James Houses gets five times as many readers on average), and it's not clear how it's particularly larger than the viewership of the other items - its 20/day is hard to compare with various indices (where not nearly all the traffic is just for a James House listed there). The viewership of the James House disambiguation page is so small that it's been hard for our system to identify clickstreams from it, it likely gets largely anonymized (no data points in the last year). If we compare the numbers for the few months from earlier years I happened to have, in May '22 it was 11 clickstreams with 21 views (~52%); in November '20 11 over 19 (~58%), and in November '17 18 over 28 (~64%). Some sources and destinations might have been anonymized there, too, which might mean it was really something like 80 or 90% where a primary topic by usage could be assumed, but we can't actually know that. It would be worth an experiment, though.

Continuing with the WP:DPT guideline, we should consider the long-term significance of all of the relevant items. As there is no discussion of that at all in the discussion above, I will default to saying oppose. (Please feel free to apply the guideline completely and ping me afterwards if it should be reconsidered.) --Joy (talk) 21:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re "If any of these places aren't actually known as James House, why are they even listed there?", I agree completely and have cleaned up the page so that all the entries not clearly called James House are now in a See Also section. I haven't bothered to look at each one of those to see if they are ever called James House, so have not deleted them completely from the page, but if anyone wants to delete any or all, I have no objection. Station1 (talk) 22:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]