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The newspapers that belong to The New Zealand Herald purport to sit behind a paywall. But the text is all there in the source code and when you copy the lot into a Word document, you get something like 50 pages of garbage. Throw the code away and you are left with the text.
Here's it is if you are interested. Schwede66 22:29, 18 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@GiantSnowman: I'm not a big fan of your edit to Searle's youth career infobox here, especially in light of the discussion we had on this last year at WP:FOOTY:
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It was clear to me from that discussion that there is no formal precedent or consensus for definitively ending a youth career once a senior appearance has been made and that you are one of the few senior editors who holds that view without flexibility. Also, with regard to this specific case, Searle only played for an amateur side in the Northern Premier League Division One, the third tier of New Zealand football as emergency cover and then signed a youth contract with Aston Villa, this is a very (eerily) similar case to Viljami Sinisalo who we discussed at length and the vast majority of editors agreed should have both his senior and youth clubs noted after his emergency senior debut. Searle is still yet to make a senior appearance in England/Wales outside EFL Trophy U21 matches for Villa, but your new infobox reads that he has 4+ years of senior experience, it is clear misrepresentation of the fact that he has been a youth footballer in England/Wales for the past 3 years at Villa and Swansea, playing exclusively for their U23 sides, never even making a matchday squad. Mountaincirquetalk 09:20, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So when do you draw the line? When does a player stop becoming 'youth' and start being 'senior'? GiantSnowman 12:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
When they play only youth football for 3 years having made one or two senior appearances seems like a perfectly reasonable exception. Obviously for 99% of players they leave the youth side completely and are either in the senior squad or loaned out but some, particularly goalkeepers it seems based on Jamie Searle and Viljami Sinisalo can make a senior appearance and then go years without another. In those cases it seems clearly misinformative to have 'senior career' noted in the infobox for youth play. Jamie Searle for example had no 'senior career' at Aston Villa or Swansea, he exclusively appeared for and trained with their youth sides, so the only 'modifier' compared to another player with zero senior experience is an amateur appearance for another club in a different country years before, I don't see how that changes the facts of whether a player is a youth/senior now. Mountaincirquetalk 13:51, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
