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A fact from Jane Cakebread appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 21 March 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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... that Jane Cakebread's 277 court appearances for drunkedness was a cause of the Inebriates Act of 1898? Source: The ODNB says "Her case and that of hundreds of other women in a similar position, led to the Inebriates Act of 1898..."]
Overall: A very interesting hook, and very almost good to go. The hook is verified by ODNB source, but reference to the Inebriates Act 1898 only occurs in the article lead, not the body. I also inferred from the hook that only Cakebread's drunkedness led to the act, but the source and article show it was also down to others' drunkenness. Would a slight reword to clear this up be an improvement? MIDI (talk) 14:24, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Article talks about events in 1899 which happened to Ms. Cakebread; however, article also states she died 1898 (the year before). Seems contradictory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:4DB4:6050:6973:78EA:F003:812E (talk) 01:08, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This article is not neutral towards its subject, and should not have appeared on the main page. It is based heavily on 19th and early 20th century sources that belittle this poor woman who suffered from substance abuse and likely also mental health problems, and was drawing on these sources that do not meet modern standards of journalism or research to continue to mock Cakebread. I've removed some of the worst of this text, but it really needs a proper review and further editing to get rid of the dated sources. As recent high quality sources exist, there's no excuse at all for this material. Nick-D (talk) 10:07, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the improvements @Nick-D:. However I think you will find that DYK is for articles that are in progress. They are not finished and never will be. No one is offering an excuse. I think you will find that "modern standards of journalism" can be found elsewhere (as you note) and its not very helpful to point out that others could do better. Where do you think this "proper review" is going to come from, if not from volunteers like you and me? Victuallers (talk) 10:41, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I reckon it needed a proper DYK review, that took into account the tone of the article and the sources being used. As a suggestion for improvements, the article could be more strongly framed around the legal and health systems Cakebread encountered. Nick-D (talk) 10:04, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Nick-D: You are maybe not familiar with DYK reviews, tone is not a big issue and neutrality is just checked as not being biased not against some wider requirements of modern journalism... which I'm not familiar with. Hopefully you (or someone who understands these issues) can address the shortcoming you identify and remove the tag. Victuallers (talk) 18:12, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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A very interesting hook, and very almost good to go. The hook is verified by ODNB source, but reference to the Inebriates Act 1898 only occurs in the article lead, not the body. I also inferred from the hook that only Cakebread's drunkedness led to the act, but the source and article show it was also down to others' drunkenness. Would a slight reword to clear this up be an improvement? MIDI (talk) 14:24, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
