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Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vincent60030 (talk) 12:45, 20 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Jane Fonda in 2000
Jane Fonda in 2000
  • .... that Jane Fonda's Workout started a trend of celebrities making exercise videos? Interview magazine wrote, "Workout didn’t monopolize the celebrity-led-at-home-work-out-routine trend so much as entirely invent it."
    • ALT1:... that Jane Fonda's Workout popularized the phrase, "No pain, no gain"? Popular Fads book wrote, "...she added the catchphrases 'No pain, no gain' and 'Feel the burn!' to the national vocabulary."
    • ALT2:... that Jane Fonda (pictured) paid for her political activism from the profits of her Workout videos? InStyle magazine quoted Fonda saying, "A lot of people don’t realize this, but the idea for my workout video came from the need to raise money for the Campaign for Economic Democracy."

Created by Binksternet (talk). Self-nominated at 09:21, 7 September 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: No - see comment
  • Interesting: Yes
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: cool article! all three hooks are great, i prefer alt2 since for me it's the catchiest. alt0 is sourced to interview magazine on the sentence in the lead, alt1 is sourced to Hendricks in the lead and not mentioned again in the article, ideally it could be, alt2 is sourced to interview magazine but on the following sentence, so "Fonda used her workout profits to fund her political activism" can also be cited. a couple of citation issues mentioned above. lastly could add a pic if inclined to do so? Mujinga (talk) 10:10, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, Mujinga.
You're right about "No pain, no gain" not showing up again in the body of the article. It's a violation of WP:LEAD which would disqualify the article for WP:Good article but here on DYK it's not a deal breaker. (I'm planning on taking this article as high as I can get it because the topic has such a large body of literature to draw from, even scholarly papers.) Anyway, I'm planning on having a paragraph in the body that talks about the various trends that were sparked by the video. But not today.
The rules say each paragraph should referenced, not that every sentence should be referenced. Some folks here ask for a reference at the end of every paragraph but references elsewhere in the paragraph should suffice. That's the sound of me whining... I have placed a reference after the Karl sentence in question.
Regarding the cites to support Fonda using the videos to fund her political activism, there are a more of them in the article than just the InStyle magazine that I quoted above. The Los Angeles Times which is already cited says, "Around the same time, she was looking for a business to help raise money for the political work she was doing with her then-husband Tom Hayden." I doubled these two named refs down into the article body in case that was what you were looking for.
I threw some references into the table of videos down at the bottom.
ALT2 is the hook that best lends itself to a photo. I have a few image choices lined up above specifically for ALT2. Like any? Binksternet (talk) 16:26, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Binksternet: yes agree on "no pain no gain" not being a dealbreaker here. This may have changed at some point, but currently the DYK rules state "Each fact in the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source, appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact. Citations at the end of the paragraph are not sufficient." I know because I have been picked up on it and actually I think it makes sense, a citation at the end of the paragraph could get broken off if another editor adds more information. What's easiest for me as reviewer is if the citations here are the same as the one(s) used on the relevant sentence in the article. Anyway, the hooks are now cited, everything is dealt with except the pic, so we can discuss that. Personally I like 1 the best, but I'm not fussed. Let me know which one you put in the article then I can close the review. Cheers Mujinga (talk) 10:35, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I've struck out the other hooks and deleted photos 2 & 3. Mujinga, I'm happy with this. Binksternet (talk) 13:26, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Binksternet: The pic needs to be added to the article, then I can give the tick. Cheers, Mujinga (talk) 15:24, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, Mujinga, got it done. Thanks for you patience. Binksternet (talk) 16:22, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cool that's all sorted then! Good luck improving the article, that Guardian link I mentioned might have something to add. Cheers, Mujinga (talk) 16:28, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Economical Advertising.

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Instead of Neutral information don't you think this particular article feels more like a commercial advertisement by mentioning the prices of the videos past and present? Maxcardun (talk) 15:04, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The videos were relatively expensive to buy when they were introduced. Modern readers would be surprised. Sources talking about the videos include their pricing. That's why prices are listed. Nobody at the Fonda organization was involved in writing this Wikipedia article. They are not trying to profit from it. Binksternet (talk) 16:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Nominator: Binksternet (talk · contribs) 19:11, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Kimikel (talk · contribs) 15:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I will be reviewing this article as part of the January GAN drive. Please expect comments from me within the next few days. Kimikel (talk) 15:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Binksternet: I have left my initials comments below. Please let me know if there are any questions or concerns with my suggestions. Thank you. Kimikel (talk) 19:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for picking up this review! I'm just getting back home after camping far away from electronic access, and a family emergency arose, so I'll look at your suggestions a bit later, probably in the next 24 hours. Binksternet (talk) 01:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Binksternet no worries, whenever you have the time! Kimikel (talk) 03:38, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well-written

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Lead

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  • The video also increased the sales of video players. > this claim should appear somewhere in the body of the article. The lead shouldn't be introducing info that appears nowhere else in the article, it ought to be a summary of the body.
  • The original 1982 Jane Fonda's Workout was the first non-theatrical home video release to top sales charts,[2] and it was the top-selling VHS tape for six years.[1] In total, Fonda sold 17 million videos in the 1982–1995 series, considered an enormous success. > same with all of this.
  • The ballet-style leg warmers she wore increased the popularity of an ongoing fashion trend, and her encouraging shout, "Feel the burn!", became a common saying, along with the proverb, "No pain, no gain." > same with all of this
  • The success of Fonda's workout series funded her political activism, which was her original goal. > this looks off as a standalone sentence, it should be merged with another paragraph.
  • In 2010, Fonda resumed the series... > since this article is specifically about the 1982 exercise video, Fonda making separate additional DVDs and TikTok videos does not merit mention in the lead; it is worth mentioning later on though

Exercise studio, book, and LP

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  • Fonda took classes from Cazden, and adopted her style of exercise. > remove comma
  • few choices for exercise classes, that most gyms > few choices for exercise classes and that most gyms
  • entirely new ways". > entirely new ways." (this is a complete sentence, the punctuation can go inside the quotes)
  • In May 1979, she partnered with Cazden to open an exercise studio called Workout, the sign over the door stating "Jane Fonda’s Workout", located on Robertson Boulevard in Beverly Hills. > In May 1979, she partnered with Cazden to open an exercise studio called Workout on Robertson Boulevard in Beverly Hills. The sign above the studio's door read "Jane Fonda's Workout".
  • With the concept proved > With the concept proven
  • She wrote Jane Fonda's Workout Book to bring the technique to a wider audience. The book was published through Paramount-owned Simon & Schuster and sold 2 million copies. > Do we know when she wrote/published it?

Video

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  • A cheaply made exercise video was the first in the home video category: Video Aerobics featuring Leslie Lilien and Julie Lavin, available on videotape in 1979. > Video Aerobics, featuring Leslie Lilien and Julie Lavin and available on videotape in 1979, was the first in the home video category of exercise tapes.
  • appealing to men, useless for exercise > appealing to men and useless for exercise.
  • The first version is as follows: Karl was a young entrepreneur in Southern California, starting a magazine company and shifting to home video publishing: Karl Home Video. According to Karl's story, he was a young entrepreneur in Southern California starting a home video publishing company called Karl Home Video.
  • Seeing that the exercise video category had just opened Seeing an opportunity to bring exercise tapes to the home video market
  • activist and politician Tom Hayden the activist and politician Tom Hayden (false title)
  • The second version is told by corporate attorney Richard D. Klinger of RCA Records, an executive in the company's SelectaVision video group. In early 1981, Karl and Klinger contacted Fonda about shooting a video of her Beverly Hills exercise routine. > According to Richard D. Klinger, an executive in RCA Records' SelectaVision video group, Karl and Klinger contacted Fonda about shooting a video of her Beverly Hills exercise routine in early 1981.
  • joint production deal such that > joint production deal in which
  • the husband of singer Janis Hansen, remove, doesn't have any bearing on this story
  • "nobody" > remove quotes
  • $50,000 $75,000 or $100,000 > $50,000, $75,000, or $100,000,
  • Behind Fonda and likewise barefoot > Behind Fonda and also barefoot
  • at the price of $59.95 for the video tape, equivalent to $189 in 2023. > could this be updated for 2024 and sourced?
  • Karl Home Video brought out the video tape Karl Home Video released the video tape
  • TV shows including the immensely popular Dallas television shows, such as Dallas.
  • department adding > department, adding
  • List price of a stereo CED player was $450, equivalent to $1,421 in 2023.[33] > irrelevant, remove
  • of Fonda's Workout franchise > italicize
  • The noise of the exercising was being conveyed through the building structure to other tenants who were complaining. > The building's other tenants had complained about the noise of the exercises.
  • core business which > core business, which
  • Fonda contracted > Fonda signed
  • Workout-branded > Workout-branded
  • Theoni V. Aldredge, and made > remove comma

Activism

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  • Fonda used her workout profits to fund her political activism.[5][6] The entire Workout franchise contributed, including the studios, the book, the audio recording and the videos. > recommend merging these sentences
  • In 1987, Fonda bought her Workout franchise back from CED > when had they bought it?
  • political causes; all drawn > comma instead of semicolon
  • Karl emulated Fonda by putting some of his Workout video distribution profits into political donations, but his naïveté led him to give many thousands illegally to various politicians, > Similarly to Fonda, Karl used his some of Workout video distribution profits into political donations,
  • The shady dealings > These irregularities
  • In 2014 after and In 2020 during > add commas

Exercise videos

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  • I am of the opinion that this section should not exist. This article is about "Jane Fonda's Workout... a 1982 exercise video" (based on the 1st sentence); thus I don't think a comprehensive list of every Jane Fonda workout tape is appropriate. In a separate article covering the Workout franchise, or Fonda's filmography, this information would be great, but this article should be centered and focused entirely on the 1982 tape; specific details about sequels don't really belong here.

Verifiability

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  • For consistency's sake, all publications and publishers that can be wikilinked in References should be (some are, some aren't)

Spot check

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  • 25: Verified
  • 46: Verified, but should be University of Nebraska Press, not U of Nebraska
  • 37: Verified
  • 31: Unavailable, archive if possible
  • 49: Verified

Stability

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  • No issues.

Broadness

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  • No issues.

Neutrality

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  • A couple of the prose fixes I suggested above address language that I would consider slightly non-neutral.

Illustrated

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  • Properly tagged fair use

Binksternet changes in progress

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I have made a bunch of minor changes as suggested and have begun to work on the major changes, especially making the lead section activism paragraph follow WP:LEAD more closely. Other LEAD matters are in progress as they will require some bolstering prose in the article body.

You are correct in sensing that this article was a bit divided regarding whether it was about the entire exercise franchise, about the video series, or focusing solely on the 1982 video release. In the absense of articles about Jane Fonda's Workout Book (1981) or her exercise record (1982), this article took up some of the slack, thereby losing focus. The subsequent videos are a tougher call, as they are more closely connected to the topic, and they are less likely to be covered in their own article. Even so, I removed the table of video releases.

Regarding the conversion of $59.95 to a modern number, I am limited by the conversion template mechanism which has its own calculation. Regarding the difference between proven and proved, I stand by my use of "concept proved" in the article per dictionary.com. Binksternet (talk) 03:11, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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