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20th century events[edit]

I have cut the following, becase it is not strictly relevant (and is poorly sourced): "In 1978 Dutch television documented this as part of a campaign by the Wik Munkan people to protect their land—using the slogan, "we defeated you over 300 years ago, we will do so again"—and Shell consequently agreed to a petition from these same Aboriginal people. Shell agreed to abandon plans to build a bauxite mine if they could not secure Aboriginal consent, leaving untouched over 600 square miles (1,600 km²) of forest that was still hunted and gathered by Aborigines."--Grahame (talk) 08:04, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Map of the voyage[edit]

A map showing the voyage could clarify this article. Aren't there any (historical) maps of the voyage? Rubenescio (talk) 11:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

see p37 of http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0600631h.html. It would be nice if somebody imported it, but I don't know how.--Grahame (talk) 14:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've added two maps. Unfortunately, the first map is in German; maybe someone can translate it? – Editør (talk) 11:34, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Article title[edit]

The voyage started in 1605 and ended in 1606; shouldn't both years be in the title? – Editør (talk) 11:49, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is such an obvious correction, I've been bold and moved it. Thanks for raising it. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 07:53, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If needed - which I doubt - shouldn't it be the normal standard 1605-06, as we write in articles? I doubt that we need the extra precision for only a dab from other voyages. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I looked and found not even one other voyage, how about a simple Janszoon voyage? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:08, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Janszoon did make other voyages, so using a date range seems ok, but you are right about the formatting (WP:DATERANGE), I think it should be Janszoon voyage of 1605–06 instead. – Editør (talk) 08:15, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Or it could be 1606–05 voyage of Willem Janszoon. – Editør (talk) 08:17, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

1605-06, surely? -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 08:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't question that he made other voyages, - the question is will they have articles? Even if yes, the major one could go without a disambiguation, while others have a year or two. Keep simple. The opening with the year(s) is not helpful for the search function. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:29, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I made a redirect to the simple, and think there should be another mentioning Australia. People might search for that rather than a year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@JackofOz: yes, see WP:DATERANGE (also it should have an n-dash instead of a hyphen). – Editør (talk) 10:07, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: I don't think there need to be more redirects, it is already linked in articles such as European exploration of Australia. – Editør (talk) 10:07, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't talk about links in articles, I talk about a reader trying to find the article, someone who may know the name and that he traveled to Australia, but probably not a year or range, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:45, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think I understood what you meant. And if you search for Janszoon and Asutralia, you will easily find the article [1]. – Editør (talk) 21:45, 6 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment moved from article[edit]

Comment by 180.200.140.22 moved from article:

(Nevertheless, it appears that the killing of some of his men on various shore expeditions was the main reason for their return—he turned back where his party had its greatest conflict with aboriginals, which he subsequently called Cape Keerweer,[g 3] Dutch for "Cape Turnagain".)

"This literal translation is, as such, correct. It was however not to express they had turned around several times and did so again. In the Dutch of the early 17th century and in the circumstances, 'keer weer' expressed a sentiment of 'return' as in 'going back home. So an alternative English translation is 'Cape Return'."

– Editør (talk) 13:50, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Janszoon voyage of 1605–1606/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Class = B-Class: Clearly beyond a stub or start-class article, but requires a copyedit, possibly some images, before meeting criteria for A-Class.Ga rr ie 01:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Importance = high, relating to first landfall on Australia by a european.Ga rr ie 01:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Substituted at 21:46, 26 June 2016 (UTC)