Talk:Japanese noise rock

Poor sourcing

(This post refers to this version) I checked the sources given for the term "Japanese noise rock". The following sources did not give this term: all of them except 11. And honestly, I find the reference in 11 questionable: are they talking about a "noise rock band" that is "Japanese", or a "Japanese noise rock band"? The ambiguity here makes this a poor source for Melt-Banana being "Japanese noise rock". Gore Beyond Necropsy are grindcore/goregrind, and not any kind of "noise rock".

There are no sources given at all that establish "Japanese noise rock" as its own legitimate genre, none which discuss who created it, who influenced it, its background and history, etc.

Minor point: the sources give accessdates of 2008, yet this article was created 2 days ago. How does that work?

I'll wait to take this to AfD to give the article a chance to develop, although I did a search for a source to support "Japanese noise rock" being a genre, and couldn't find anything. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 05:53, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

This is a work in progress. See these links (not yet integrated into the article) for substantiation: [1] [2] [3] Links were copy-pasted from work I did years ago on the Noise rock page; access dates can be easily updated as I don't believe any are dead links. Aryder779 (talk) 11:54, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Also this: "The joy and glory of tinnitus-inducing clatter didn’t reveal itself to me until 2005, when the Japanese noise-rock band the Boredoms delivered their bone-rattling, shape-shifting aural assault to New York." [4] Aryder779 (talk) 12:47, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

That first link looks like the first credible source discussing "Japanese noise rock" as a legitimate genre, separate from "noise rock that is from Japan". Same with the third link. The second one doesn't mention "Japanese noise rock" at all. The fourth one supports that one band as being "Japanese noise rock".

So for now, all the sources given for the various bands currently given in the article should be removed, as should the bands, unless they can be supported by one of those 3 relevant links you gave above. The main goal for the article should be to fully describe what Japanese noise rock is, not simply be a list of bands, so information from those 3 new sources should be used to create a proper description of the genre.

I still wonder if this deserves to be its own article. At most this seems to be a minor off-shoot of noise rock itself, and is probably better suited to a paragraph or two on that page. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 03:29, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

The second link describes "Japanese noise-core," clearly a synonym. Almost all of the bands presently in the article with AMG links are in fact included in the links posted here. The sources from the Allmusic Guide provide further description of their relation to a diverse but recognizable scene. I think it's important not to advocate an overly literal and narrow interpretation of WP:CITE; genre page articles do not need to have every cited source directly state "Band X= a noise rock group" in order to indicate relevancy. I'm open to the possibility of eventual merging with either the noise rock page or Japanoise. Aryder779 (talk) 15:07, 24 January 2012 (UTC)