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A fact from Jew with a coin appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 3 September 2019 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that in some Polish homes, an image of a Jew holding a coin (example pictured) hangs to the left of the doorway, and is customarily turned upside down on the Sabbath so that good fortune may fall upon the household?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2019/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jew with a coin.

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Frank Olbert (March 11, 2023). "Verzerrte Enzyklopädie" (in German). Jüdische Allgemeine. Retrieved March 13, 2023. [Translated with Google Translate] An example of such an intervention can be found in the Wikipedia article "Jew With a Coin" ("The Jew with a Coin") – an article, by the way, that also sheds light on the authors' relationship to current anti-Semitism.

Cultural studies scholar Paweł Dobrosielski, who performs a vernacular culture analysis, reaches the same conclusion as Tokarska-Bakir.[edit]

This is not exactly correct. Dobrosielski states that while her analysis can be accepted he proposes a different interpretation--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 09:53, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Which is very similar in its own conclusion - however we don't need to argue here over the analysis of the Polish source, as we have a 3rd academic, cited in the article, stating this explicitly in English-

"Paweł Dobrosielski reaches the same conclusion by analyzing the image as an element of vernacular culture."

- source. QED. Icewhiz (talk) 10:28, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Level of craziness[edit]

Icewhiz suggests that Polish culture is a kind of cargo cult. It imitates Jewish culture or uses it in an anti-Semitic way. Any aspect of Jewishness makes a page ten times longer. Mazurkas (Chopin) contain 14,163 bytes, this one 28,675 bytes. So the only way to develop Mazurkas (Chopin) is to find Jewish influence on the Mazurkas. And yes, I have found it https://en.chopin.nifc.pl/chopin/composition/detail/id/179 Xx236 (talk) 11:32, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Survey data - separate section[edit]

I've moved (and expanded) the survey data to a separate section - diff. Please note that using Dobrosielski directly is use of a WP:PRIMARYish source (this is a preliminary technical report - Wstępny raport z badań ). Some of Dobrosielski's findings are cited in a secondary manner (Tartakowsky) - which we should prefer. I am not averse to a further expansion of the survey section, with more data from Dobrosielski. However, please do so in the body of the article first - Jew with a coin#Survey - the amount of space for this in the (pretty short) lead should be limited, and we should agree first on the body prior to moving items up to the lead. Icewhiz (talk) 13:21, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sources[edit]

Media orgs[edit]

Why are we using media orgs — Vice, Haaretz, Jewish Chronicle, Newzealand Herald — in a topic so controversial and so well-traversed by academics? TrangaBellam (talk) 10:02, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not even sure what the NZ piece, an extract from a travel-memoir by Diana Wichtel, is cited for in the lead. TrangaBellam (talk) 10:08, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adeptus[edit]

I will appreciate some details about the journal/magazine, editorial board, etc. TrangaBellam (talk) 10:08, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fresh draft of lead[edit]