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Proposed sentence

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Placing criticism of subject without context potentially violates WP:BLP. As such, I am removing the segment until consensus can be reached.

  • Option #1 - Keep criticism but offer context + NPOV language: The Jewish Council of Australia, described as a left-leaning Jewish organisation[1][2][3] formed earlier in 2024,[4][5] stated they were concerned that Segal, a past president of the ECAJ,[6] would not be able to distinguish between criticism of Israel and antisemitism.[7]
  • Option #2 - Unless Jewish Council of Australia is deemed notable enough to have its own page, leave the material out of the page.

I.am.a.qwerty (talk) 01:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for starting this thread. I would propose:
  • Striking out "described as a left-leaning Jewish organisation". Described by who? And if "left-leaning" is relevant then should we include that the ECAJ is considered "right-leaning" by the same source? Including "left-leaning" is not NPOV, as it implies that the JCA are criticising Segal because the JCA is left-leaning, which is an interpretation rather than something from a source. Also not sure what the point of the other two sources are- the Jewish Independent source is reliable and says they're left-leaning, the other two are explicitly critical sources of the JCA that don't contain any information not already supported by the first source.
  • I'm ambivalent on keeping "formed earlier in 2024". "Earlier" is unspecific and subjective so we can say February 2024 if we want to include the timing. The date of their founding also only needs one source, rather than multiple. This also feels like a contrast with the remark in the previous paragraph that the ECAJ is the "representative body". I think we need to be careful to not be saying "she was praised by a legitimate group, and criticised by some new-formed illegitimate group", because then we're well into POV.
  • I would also propose removing "..., a past president of the ECAJ," as that fact is already mentioned above in a previous paragraph. Additionally, including it gives an almost incredulous tone to the sentence, as if saying "The JCA was concerned about Segal, (who by the way is a president of the ECAJ so knows a thing or two about antisemitism!), etc etc". I feel that its inclusion undermines the criticism being made, which is inappropriate in Wikivoice.
GraziePrego (talk) 01:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Stone, Deborah (2024). Who speaks for Australian Jews? The Jewish Independent. 20 March 2024. Accessed 19 July 2024.
  2. ^ Hill, Bruce. (2024). Jewish Council labels Segal pro war. Australian Jewish News. 11 July 2024. Accessed 19 July 2024.
  3. ^ Hill, Bruce. (2024). Jewish Council’s far-right slur Australian Jewish News. 20 July 2024. Accessed 20 July 2024.
  4. ^ A fresh Jewish voice: the new Australian group opposing antisemitism – and Israel’s conduct. The Guardian. Accessed 19 July 2024.
  5. ^ https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-05/jewish-council-of-australia-critical-of-israels/103806808
  6. ^ Panagopoulos, Joanna (2024). Executive Council of Australian Jewry smacks down anti-Israel Jewish ‘micro group’ The Australian. 18 July 2024. Accessed 19 July 2024.
  7. ^ Wedesweiler, Madeleine (9 July 2024). "Anthony Albanese announces antisemitism envoy, says Jewish people 'do not feel safe'". SBS News. Archived from the original on 10 July 2024. Retrieved 2024-07-10.