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additional source[edit]

Conder, Claude Reignier and H.H. Kitchener: The Survey of Western Palestine. London:Committee of the Palestine Exploration Fund, 1881, II, (brief report: p.251.) (according to Petersen, p183...but I cannot find it. Typo?)-saw it on page 264, but its brief.

Text above moved from article for discussion. Oncenawhile (talk) 21:30, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Oncenawhile: I wish you would´t have moved these articles into main-space yet! ...I had hoped to make them DYKs...Huldra (talk) 21:34, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Huldra:, oh no - sorry! It looked like they had been long forgotten for so many years.

I am happy to help get them over the line for DYKs - they're not too far off. We have five days! Would that help? Otherwise I can move them back? Oncenawhile (talk) 22:15, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Oncenawhile:, And then you move Mausoleum of Abu Huraira??? Can you at least PLEASE move that one back....and I´ll try to make the two bridges DYKs, Huldra (talk) 22:22, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Huldra:, yes I know I only saw your note after I had moved it. I am sorry. Oncenawhile (talk) 22:37, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Oncenawhile:, ok, thanks for moving the Mausoleum-article back, Huldra (talk) 22:43, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Huldra, I think both bridges are above the 1,500 character requirement now.

How about a hook as follows

...that Mamluk Sultan Baibars built two bridges near the towns of Jindas and Yibna in the outskirts of Ramla, now in Israel?

Oncenawhile (talk) 15:34, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Oncenawhile this article is not yet long enough, as quotations do not count. The Yibna bridge-article should be long enough, though. The hook is fine, I´ll be expanding this article, Huldra (talk) 21:33, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, Oncenawhile now it should be long enough. Do you want to nominate it? (I´m going to expand it a bit more) Huldra (talk) 22:23, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jindas village[edit]

Hi Huldra, would you like to continue our collaboration by working together to create the article Jindas?

This is what I have been able to find so far:

The moshav of Ginaton was built nearby, apparently named after the priest named in Nehemiah 10. The polish version of the article at pl:Ginaton says Ginaton replaced Jindas.
It is conspicuously missing from our article List_of_Arab_towns_and_villages_depopulated_during_the_1948_Palestinian_exodus#Ramle_Subdistrict
- It is included in a similar list by the Association for the Reconstruction of Emwas from 1989
The source below shows a photo of the "Tomb of Nabi Jindas"
- Benvenisti, Meron (1 March 2000). Sacred Landscape: The Buried History of the Holy Land since 1948. University of California Press. p. 192. ISBN 978-0-520-92882-4.

Also pinging @Al Ameer son: who may have access to good sources.

Oncenawhile (talk) 11:32, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User:Oncenawhile, yes, lets. This is what I have found:

1596: p. 155: 35 Muslim households

1882: p. 251: a very small adobe hamlet

1945: p. 29: NB: land in use, but no inhabitants there
- alternative 1945 (Hadawi): pp. 67, 115, 165:

1948: Morris, 2004, p. xix village #223. Also gives cause of depopulation as “unknown”. (Morris isn´t really that reliable; what is more important is that Khalidi does not mention it among the depopulated -48-villages.) I suspect it should be in List of villages depopulated during the Arab–Israeli conflict; that is, depopulated before 1948.

Welcome To Jindas

Huldra (talk) 20:20, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks Huldra.

Here's another one: Khalidi, Walid (1992). All That Remains: The Palestinian Villages Occupied and Depopulated by Israel in 1948. Inst for Palestine Studies. ISBN 978-0-88728-224-9. A number of villages were eliminated on the basis of the field research, either because they were discovered to have been largely vacated before the commencement of hostilities (such as Umm Kubai in Nazareth district and Jindas in Ramla district) or because they were found upon field research to have been temporary agglomerations. The IPS working list was also carefully checked against the other existing lists, and discrepancies were looked into. A number of villages cited by some or most of the other sources were not included in the IPS list Zarra'a (Baysan), for example, was excluded.

Oncenawhile (talk) 23:13, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Versions of the crusader "Gendas" references are [1] and [2]. Oncenawhile (talk) 22:29, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

and p. 75, #293, from 1154, Huldra (talk) 22:52, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

..but your p. 32-reference is from 1129; the same year as the Cartulaire général de l'ordre des Hospitaliers-reference. And your second ref, [3] is from 1154; I believe it is the same ref as p. 75, #293? Huldra (talk) 23:40, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]