Talk:Joachim III of Bulgaria

Joachim III of Bulgaria has been listed as one of the Philosophy and religion good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Review: February 22, 2017. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Joachim III of Bulgaria appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 5 July 2016 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that in 1300, the Bulgarian Patriarch Joachim III was charged with treason and executed by the newly crowned Emperor Theodore Svetoslav?

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk · contribs) 18:59, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm starting this review. I'll see if I can finish it later today. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 18:59, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The article presents valuable information about an important person in Bulgarian medieval history. It's possible that English-language sources of this depth don't even exist. I admire the research and translation that went into making this page.

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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I had a difficult time finding any information on Joachim III outside of this page. His name did come up in a book of medival Bulgarian letters and in a book called Bulgaria's Map Comes to Life, so I have no reason to doubt the page's information. I wasn't able to check most of the sources, since they are print and in Bulgarian. No copvios. References are good. The material is complicated, but there is enough historical context that I could follow most of the information. No original research, the page is stable, and the pictures all have enough information and are relevant.

The only problem I have is that the lead doesn't summarize the article, and it contains some information that isn't in the main body of the article, or if it is, it is unclear to me.

-"It seems that Joachim remained loyal to the position of the Tarnovo Patriarchate, which explains his quick rise in the church hierarchy"--maybe this is a dumb question, but is the Tarnovov Patriarchate always in Tarnovo, as the lead mentions his seat was located?

Firstly, I would like to thank you very much for reviewing the article. Regarding the question: The Bulgarian Patriarchate is often called the Tarnovo Patriarchate when referring to its period of existence during the Second Empire (1185-1396), and during all that time the seat was in Tarnovo. I guess this would be confusing for most readers and therefore changed the wording to "Bulgarian Patriarchate" instead of "Tarnovo Patriarchate", while keeping the link. --Gligan (talk) 21:27, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

-"his name was included in the list of Bulgarian Patriarchs in the Book of Boril" - from the lead and not listed in the body. Is this the same as the "litanies" in his honor?

I added that piece of information. Best regards, --Gligan (talk) 21:27, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

After reviewing the article, I've decided to put it on hold, just because of those two issues with the lead. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:54, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Great, the page meets the GA criteria. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:41, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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