Talk:Joan Boocock Lee

She was born in January, February or March 1922

NOTE: THE ABOVE HEADER IS NOT NECESSARILY CORRECT -- This was when her birth was registered in UK. Late year births (Oct-Dec) are/were often (if not usually) registered in the following quarter. That was the case with Liz Smith, Cathleen Nesbitt, Fenella Fielding, and many others. IMDb does give February 5 ([1]) as the date of birth, for what it's worth. However, no reliable (or any) source confirms, as of yet, anyway, that October 18 is the date, either. We have to wait. Quis separabit? 00:15, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello all, For his birthyear see here ->[2]. The Hollywood Reporter is wrong. She died at 95. I put a source in his article for her birth in Newcastle and the article is dated (updated) February 26, 2013. And in this article she said she is 90 years old, which matches. She is older than Stan Lee, not younger. --Danielvis08 (talk) 10:44, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

The article in question -> [3]. --Danielvis08 (talk) 10:46, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Firstly, if Stan Lee (or his family) is reading this: I am so sorry for your loss.

Secondly, looked the birth ref used in article (of page at freebmd.org.uk) and the scan at that ref says "BIRTHS REGISTERED IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY and MARCH, 1922." Does that mean she was born in the first quarter of 1922? (scan also says "Boocock... Joan" [Mother's Maiden Surname]"Clayton" [District]"Castle W." [Vol.]"10 b" and [Page.]"718")

Also, http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joan-lee-dead-wife-marvel-comics-legend-stan-lee-was-95-1018951 says "July 7, 4:40 a.m. An earlier version of this story incorrectly stated Joan Lee was 93. She was 95. THR regrets the error." So some media website seem to have copied the incorrect version from THR's article. With an age of 95 years on January 6, that would put her birth between 7 July 1921 and 6 July 1922 (so probably Jan-March 1922). --EarthFurst (talk) 15:51, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

I am also sorry for your loss if any friend or family of Joan is reading this. Regarding the birth registry a birth could have taken place in the previous quarter and not been registered until the next quarter, however the article currently reads January 13 1922. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:08, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

She could just as well have been born in 1921 since the article above is first published in 2011. When it comes to her birthday being January 13 no source has been given so I removed it. DrKilleMoff (talk) 18:45, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Tried that familysearch.org link above (it gives "Registration Year" but not birthyear), which refers to "findmypast.com" so may have been copied from findmypast. Findmypast just says "Boocock Joan [born] 1922 ... Castle Ward, Northumberland, England" (the "1922" probably just the registration year) the rest is behind a paywall. Tried UK's General Register Office "Official information on births, marriages and deaths" ( https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp ) directly, but they seem to only have birth data for 1837-1916 (Perhaps birthdata is now kept private for 100years and we'll have to wait until 2023?). --EarthFurst (talk) 21:58, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Agreed she was 95 -- given that her birth was registered in UK in March 1922; however no reliable (or any) source confirms, as of yet, anyway, that October 18 as date. Quis separabit? 00:08, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

So since both sourced as pointed above directed her birth as to either March 1922 or October 1922 should be just but the year 1922 as the birth date rather than 1921/1922? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:38, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

@TDKR Chicago 101 -- um, I think you made a mistake -- you wrote "either March 1922 or October 1922", but that is not correct: one source claims October 1921, while her birth was registered in the first quarter of the following year, which was, as I pointed out, not uncommon for "Late year births" (Oct-Dec). In short, October 1921 was claimed, not October 22, and since we don't know, we should leave it as it is. Information usually unfolds over time. She only died yesterday, we have to give it time. Quis separabit? 02:53, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, in fact, we have a source that tells Joan is born October 23, 1921 or before, the same article that told us she says she was born in Gosforth. The article was first published Oct 23, 2011 and in this article it says Joan, now 90... and we have also Stan, 88... we know Stan was born December 28, 1922 and if they didn't update the age of Stan in this article when they made an update in 2013 that implies they can't have updated Joan's age either, so Joan must be born on October 23, 1921 or before and the birth was registered in the first quarter of 1922. And she was born in Gosforth and her birth was registered in Castle Ward, what do you think? --Danielvis08 (talk) 11:36, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

And also she says in an interview "People can't believe I'm 90", they can't change the words in an interview in an update and, we also know she died at 95 on July 6, 2017 so we are now certain that she was born between July 7, 1921 and October 23, 1921. --Danielvis08 (talk) 12:16, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

First Husband

Article says she married a serviceman whom she later divorced. This first husband isn't mentioned in the Infobox. Does anyone have more information to put into the Infobox? 76.254.25.55 (talk) 15:43, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

That brief marriage, likely of convenience, was something long ago set aside. I doubt the name of that soldier is available anywhere. His surname was not Boocock as some sources aver; that was Joan's maiden name. Quis separabit? 00:59, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Joan Boocock Lee

@Emir of Wikipedia -- May it please the Emir, your highness, that the date of birth for Joan Boocock Lee was uncovered during my exhaustive search of California City Directories, which found the following listing for one

Name: Joan B Lee
Birth Date: 5 Feb 1922
Address:
[9143 Oriole Way, Los Angeles, CA, 90069-1125 (1981)]
[9143 Oriole Way, Los Angeles, CA, 90069-1125 (1996)]
[6007 Sepulveda Blvd, Van Nuys, CA, 91411-2502 (1985)]

That the couple resided at 9143 Oriole Way is confirmed here and here.

-- Also, I do not believe Joan Boocock's middle name, if she had one at all, was Clayton; that was her mother's maiden name and the name "Clayton" happened to be listed in the mother's maiden name column directly alongside the subject's forename ("Joan"), making it look like "Joan Clayton" in the oft-mentioned birth registry record from 1st Quarter 1922 in the General Records Office of England and Wales. This source is not reliable in my opinion as it appears to simply replicate boilerplate info found in numerous other sources and mirror sites. Yours, Quis separabit? 00:56, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for that information. Regarding the middle name it doesn't sound that implausible to me, as children are sometimes given the maiden name of their mother as their middle name. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 10:12, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

I know that children are sometimes given a family name as a middle name, but that has not been reliably established as of yet, and so "Clayton" as middle name should not be included, IMO.Quis separabit? 21:21, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

@Danielvis08 @TDKR Chicago 101 @EarthFurst @DrKilleMoff -- hey dudes, join the party here. It's a blast. Quis separabit? 21:22, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

"almost 11 months her junior"

Is it just me, or does that seem oddly phrased? 11 months is almost nothing, even when very young. Usually mentioning age differences in a marriage are only when there is a large age gap. Ehurtley (talk) 11:23, 11 October 2017 (UTC) Ehurtley (talk) 11:23, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

It is oddly phrased. The weird thing is that at my look at the relatively lengthy source is that the ages don't even appear to be mentioned. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 12:16, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

GLARING ERROR

The article says she married a US Air Force serviceman, Dorf Weiss, in 1943. But the US Air Force didn't exist in 1943! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.84.30 (talk) 17:35, 25 July 2018 (UTC)