Talk:John Gellibrand

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A fact from John Gellibrand appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 26 April 2017 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that despite topping his class at Sandhurst, John Gellibrand found the prospects for promotion in the British Army so bleak that he resigned his commission and moved to Tasmania to grow apples?

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Untitled[edit]

Was the same guy also a member of the House of Reps?--Peta 11:43, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:08, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright[edit]

Is there any reason not to consider the material taken from http://www.unsw.adfa.edu.au/~rmallett/Generals/index.html copyright?--Grahamec 04:56, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:08, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

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This article needs in line citations to show its derivation and to overcome copyright concerns.--Grahame (talk) 10:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 10:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 20:11, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Added citations. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:08, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Involvement with/inspiration for Legacy[edit]

I was very surprised not to see any reference to his involvement in/inspiration of the work of Legacy in this article. His ADB bio mentions it, and he is widely known as the Father of Legacy. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:16, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Added. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:08, 3 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Victory Medal with Palm[edit]

In the ribbon farm, the device for a mention in dispatches was a spray of oak leaves, not a palm. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:07, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Peacemaker67 (talk · contribs) 01:33, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article is in very good shape. A few nitpicks:

There are a few duplicate links, Denison, Australian Army and major general in the lead, and Blamey in the penultimate paragraph of the body.
Y Removed. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:12, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
All images are from the collection of the AWM and are PD in Australia. File:1st Division Staff.jpg, File:Group portrait of officers at the British Army Staff College, Camberley, 1906.jpg, File:Gellibrand at Pozieres.jpg, File:Group portrait of the officers of the 12th Brigade staff.jpg and File:John Gellibrand 2.jpg all need a US PD tag as well as the Australian one.

This still needs to be addressed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:26, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Y Done. Hawkeye7 (talk) 09:31, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I believe haemorrhage is the correct spelling
Y Corrected. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:12, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any more on his divisional command? The article gives the impression that he was a highly competent commander up to brigade level, and a competent staff officer at divisional level, but struggled with command at divisional level? Is there a source for such an overall assessment? Perhaps I'm getting the wrong idea? The lead should probably reflect any overall assessment.
If I had one. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:12, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Mallett's bio of Gellibrand has a quote from Monash that might be a good way of summarising his performance, also, that link goes to the general page, not to Gellibrand himself
Y Corrected the link. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:12, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The ADB entry states that his request for a move from 6th Infantry Brigade was caused by "misunderstandings between himself and the staff of the 2nd Division", and that Birdwood unsuccessfully tried to resolve them. This should probably be reflected in the article.
I think Palladin should be Paladin.
Y Corrected. Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:12, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:09, 8 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article is well-written, verifiable using reliable sources, covers the subject well, is neutral and stable, and is illustrated by appropriately licensed images with appropriate captions. Passing. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:37, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Two places of death are given[edit]

The infobox says he died in Murrindindi, Victoria (place of death) but the article says he died at Balaclava. I'm not Australian so have no idea of its geography. What I do know is that needs clarifying. 86.140.79.57 (talk) 18:14, 26 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The article says that Balaclava was his property in Murrindindi. Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:45, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]