Talk:John Halle's Hall

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Did you know... that the medieval John Halle's Hall is the foyer of a cinema?

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 01:16, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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The interior of John Halle's Hall.

... that the medieval John Halle's Hall (pictured) is the foyer of a cinema? Source: ^[1]^[2]

Created by Stronach (talk). Self-nominated at 11:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC).[reply]

@Stronach: 4th DYK - QPQ not required just yet. Hook interesting enough and cited, article generally well-referenced. There's a single uncited sentence about the "this almost certainly" - sounds like author's inference to me, but for the purpose of this review I will let it pass. I'm fairly concerned about the huge blocks of text copied directly from Historic England and the Pevsner book however - yes, they are quoted, but I'm not comfortable with passing an article with that much direct copy pasting even with attribution. I would say those two quotes are best expressed by the article author. Juxlos (talk) 15:00, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the comments. Sorry if I've formatted this wrong: I'm rusty and instructions aren't the clearest to dim old me. Also what is QPQ please? To the main meat: the block quotes were there because I don't have the architectural knowledge or the intimate knowledge of the place itself to paraphrase them successfully, as they are so dense and technical, and I haven't found a source that has provided a precis of what's going on architecturally that I can understand to be able to rephrase. Do you think putting them in quote boxes might make it clearer they are quotes?Stronach (talk) 12:49, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

QPQ means you review before you submit - no big deal, but you'd come across it as a requirement quite soon. Regardless it's not where they're placed, it's that quotes literally comprise the entire section. Juxlos (talk) 14:26, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that! Using a video on Youtube as a visual guide, I've had a go at rewriting, but as so many of the terms are uncertain to me, I'm not sure I've done it correctly. I put the quotes as blockquotes as they have information I haven't used. Stronach (talk) 14:59, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It still makes up a decent chunk of the section, but good enough. Juxlos (talk) 05:11, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I will see if I can expand the section so the two quoted parts make up a lesser proportion of it. Finding info isn't too easy though ... Stronach (talk) 10:05, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've found some more online sources (Victoria County History and others) and beefed up the description, so the quotations are a smaller proportion now. Stronach (talk) 10:25, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Historic England. "John Halle's Hall (now forming entrance to the Odeon Cinema (1258229)". National Heritage List for England. Retrieved 29 November 2021.
^ Frogg Moody (7 September 2021). "Salisbury Odeon cinema celebrates 90th birthday". The Salisbury Journal. Salisbury, Wiltshire. Retrieved 29 November 2021.

To do[edit]

~~Find VCH info about the Hall.~~
Sort out the question of the screen - was it already there, or did Pugin add it? Was there a door through it from the start?
Photographs of the interior.
Stained glass - restored by both Beare and Willement, or was Pevsner mistaken about Willement's involvement?

Stronach (talk) 12:57, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[NHLE-1] Historic England. "John Halle's Hall (now forming entrance to the Odeon Cinema (1258229)". National Heritage List for England. Retrieved 29 November 2021.

[SJ-2] Frogg Moody (7 September 2021). "Salisbury Odeon cinema celebrates 90th birthday". The Salisbury Journal. Salisbury, Wiltshire. Retrieved 29 November 2021.

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