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Bipolar disorder[edit]

Ought to mention somewhere that he had bipolar disorder.--Penbat (talk) 10:15, 23 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Further Marriages[edit]

There is no mention of his other marriages his second wife, Annie Furlong, died in 1996, predeceased him. There is also no mention of any of his injuries a exploded pancreas, a broken neck caused by a cow flying through his car window, it may not seem appropriate but i believe it would add flavour and give us more of the feel of the man. They call me Mister Tibbs (talk) 10:26, 3 April 2012 (UTC)— Preceding [reply]

Article's Comment re "Glorious Fool"[edit]

Some enterprising soul has written:

"Glorious Fool was a sharp departure from Martyn's 70s sound and at the time was regarded as something of a sell-out by his die-hard fans, but time has revealed it to be a much stronger album than it seemed at the time..."

Beg pardon, but WTF does that even mean? This is a perennial problem with pop music-oriented articles, where far too much anti-NPOV verbiage appears with disappointingly high frequency.

If you're going to make such a subjective statement, can you at least give reasons in support of it? How has "time revealed" that album to be "stronger than it seemed at the time..."? What, aside from your personal predilections, leads to that conclusion?

I also think "...regarded as something of a sell-out...." doesn't even approach responsible reporting of an event. Again, what are the supporting arguments?

What you have here, in the end, is a "pro and con" observation, neither pole of which has a single bit of factual representation to help you make that case. I suggest including some examples in support, or abandoning the whole of the argument entirely.

B. Polhemus (talk) 05:05, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wholeheartedly agree. It is yet another example of the subjective verbal diarrhoea that plagues Wikipedia. Would some objective and qualified soul rewrite this drivel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.43.115 (talk) 02:06, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They call me Mister Tibbs (talk) 10:44, 3 April 2012 (UTC) As above I totally agree, the guy could of mentioned some people thought it was more mainstream in the album being produced by Phil Collins with a 32 concert tour to help promote it. I disagree with that, but the opening track on the album Glorious Fool which was "Couldn't Love You More" was a re-recorded version with Eric Clapton guesting, Clapton had covered, Martyn's "May You Never" on his 1977 album Slowhand. When John was presented with a lifetime achievement award by Collins at 2008 BBC Folk Awards, Clapton sent a message saying that John Martyn was "so far ahead of everything else it was inconceivable".[reply]

So Much for a sell out. Please back up your OPINIONS with facts please.^[1]

References

^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Fool

Discography[edit]

Separate article now needed? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:40, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Opening Photo[edit]

John is not very well known, and its fun to turn someone on to him. However, the first photo is not John's best, particularly since John was such a striking figure in his youth. Please change the photo to a time closer to his peak, between '71-'78. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.24.242.79 (talk) 13:19, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I agree with your statement about the photo but as to Johns "Peak" which you perceive to be '71-'78, I must disagree, that time interval may be the peak of some acoustic guitar playing he had at the time or something like his pioneering of the echoplex (which he first recorded around 1969 I think) but I believe Johns career was all peak, I have tried to winnow out an album as his worst but I cannot do it, his last two albums, one before his death the other after, are to me some of his best ever work. They call me Mister Tibbs (talk) 11:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Although I don't really agree with the opening statement in this thread, I tend to share the sentiment of that unsigned anon editor. But surely, album sales figures would determine, very simply, when he was "most popluar" during his lifetime, and this would in turn help to determine the choice of a lead image. I don't think that even a very popular postumous album would be argument for using an image of an artist near the end of his or her life? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:06, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Announcement of death[edit]

"His death was announced by his friend John Hillarby on the official website" vs "His death was announced by John Hillarby on his website". Which is correct? There seems to be some disgareement, which has been continuing now for quite some time. Could interested parties possibly discuss? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:49, 3 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And still?? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:43, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I played in John's band for 20 years - John was aware of Hillarby's website; but they were not friends. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arranahmun (talk • contribs) 22:26, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your contribution, which helps explain your pattern of edits here. But, without further details, it's difficult to verify any of those three statements? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:31, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And six months mater... still difficult. Does anyone have evidence to show that John Hillarby was indeed "a friend of John Martyn". If not then, I suggest that the deletion by Arranahmun should stay. After all, this would be the more neutral stance. Does it really matter, to this article, if Hillarby was a friend or not? How long do other editors think we should wait? Perhaps it matters only to Hillarby. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:48, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Unofficial websites[edit]

Should these be: 1. Integrated into the text? 2. Have their own section? 3. Be added at External links? 4. Not appear? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:55, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

looks like 4. to me mate eg. no replies in over 3 years They call me Mister Tibbs (talk) 19:15, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Personal Life[edit]

Still no mention of his second marriage nor his children. They call me Mister Tibbs (talk) 19:13, 24 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that the lack of mention of Annie Furlong is a glaring omission. She was a major part of his life and worked as his sound engineer for several years, making a major contribution to his live sound at the time. She was also the subject of his song "Annie Says". Notstopping (talk) 01:19, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Birth name[edit]

FreeBMD records his birth name here. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:37, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Fool

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