Talk:John Sheppard (Stargate)

December 2005

Since he has the ancient gene, should his species be listed as Ancient or Alteran? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.221.213.231 (talk • contribs) 07:05, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

No, read ATA Gene. AKismet 14:08, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Mensa

Since we don't actually know if John passed the test or not, he only mentioned that he took it, it doesn't make sense to add the line that he "decided" not to join. If he failed, then it wasn't his decision. JBK405 16:37, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

He said he passed. McKay asked him if he passed and either he said, "Yes" or nodded (one or the other). McKay then asked why he never joined, but Sheppard said they didn't have time to talk about it. Noneofyourbusiness 15:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

No, McKay asked if he was a member of Mensa and he said "No, but I took the test." Whether or not he passed has never been revealed. JBK405 03:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Your forgetting something. After Sheppard is done threatening Kolya but before they climb out of the cave, Rodney brings it up again and asks John if he passed, to which John says "Yes." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Throttle~enwiki (talk • contribs) 06:10, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't specifically recall that dialogue not happening, I haven't the entire script memorized, but I don't remember it happening, either. Are you sure? JBK405 14:03, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I checked the various fan transcripts online to make sure I wasn't misremembering. If I am, then at least a few others are misremembering as well. The conversation goes thus; Rodney: "I can't believe you never mentioned the Mensa thing." Sheppard: "I did the test. I never joined." Rodney: "But you passed?" Sheppard: "Yes." Rodney: "Well, you know we have a chapter on Atlantis, you should..." Throttle 21:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I knew I wasn't imagining that he said that. Noneofyourbusiness 01:59, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

If you're sure, I'll concede the point (As I said, I don't have the entire ep memorised and it's been a while since I've seen it). We should alter the article then. JBK405 02:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll do it right now. -- Noneofyourbusiness 23:56, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Why list episodes here?

When this article exists? CovenantD 02:37, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Okay, this is basically part of my project to make WikiProject Stargate better referenced. Currently, I am going through character articles making episode lists, reffing transcripts in said lists, and adding external links on the characters in general to GateWorld and StargateWiki (though not all in one edit). I believe reffing transcripts in the articles is necessary because otherwise we are just referencing our own episode articles (most of which were uncited before I went through them). Additionally, having transcripts conveniently linked to from the article may make resolving accuracy disputes easier. Also, Alfakim believes that when referencing episodes, we should specify which series (SG-1 or Atlantis) they are from. (See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stargate#citing episodes - important.) Having a separate episodes list at the bottom accomplishes this without clogging up the main article. If you still disagree with this, please bring it up on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stargate, as it affects more than just this article. Armedblowfish 02:48, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Pastebin

Moved here to give someone an easier chance to integrate (and provide a verifiable citation -- that isn't user submitted). See WP:AVTRIV and WP:ATT. Matthew 08:49, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Just to make the point again, because people seem to throw this around a lot without bothering to comprehend it. WP:AVTRIV explicitly states to _AVOID_ having large trivia sections, not delete any trivia found if it cant be put into the article. In fact, AVTRIV says this as the only policy in regards to a trivia section:

Seek to minimize it, but meanwhile leave it in place as a raw store of facts for both readers and editors to work with

There is nowhere on the AVTRIV section that says that trivia can or will be removed unless it violates other Wiki policies and guides. Since it's not OR, is NPOV and appears to be cited by the original writer of the information, it cannot be removed and says that it _CAN_ be moved to the talk page for integration, not that it must or that it should.

Now it appears to have been cited however i cannot confirm the accuracy of the IMDB information, but i am opposed to removing a piece of important information that obviously cannot be integrated into the article and should not be left out of the main page if it is authentic. - Count23 10:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Read this carefully: "Sections which contain facts to be merged into the main body of the article are a list of "facts pending integration" or "facts lacking sufficient context for integration". Seek to minimize it, but meanwhile leave it in place as a raw store of facts for both readers and editors to work with. However, it is possible to move a trivia section to the talk page to allow other editors to participate with discussing and integrating the information worthy of inclusion in the article. Some trivia is especially tangential or irrelevant, and may not warrant inclusion at all.

Once a trivia section is empty, it should be removed, but where such a section is re-added with new content, the integration process should begin again."

The section was tagged for some time and given adequate time for someone to provide context and add relevancy, obviously it cannot be merged and as there's no relevancy established still instead of reverting your re-integration I've moved it to the talk page. Matthew 10:20, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

You just proved my point for me, you can't just remove the trivia section arbitrarily, it says "possible" not "must" and on wikipedia, those actions are determined by consensus. Likewise, since the piece of information is not iirrelevent or tangental but directly related to the subject matter at hand, it deserves to be in the page. By your own admission and the copy from AVTRIV, the reference about Browder is a "fact lacking sufficient context for integration". QED. - Count23 10:47, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you need to read it more carefully, also brush up on WP:ATT. HTH HAND :-) Matthew 10:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Now it appears to have been cited however i cannot confirm the accuracy of the IMDB information, but i am opposed to removing a piece of important information that obviously cannot be integrated into the article and should not be left out of the main page if it is authentic. - Count23 10:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

YHL HAND - Count23 10:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

It should only be in the page if it's proven authentic, a la verifiable. :-). Matthew 11:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Which is EXACTLY what i just highlighted in my previous comment. I admit i put it back up there on one of my "cleanup preemptive AVTRIV" runs without looking into too much detail into the IMDB sources it cites. At least we agree it goes back on the main page if it can be properly cited.

On a side note, having discussions like this is the real reason wikipedia exist, it's fun to argue about subjects you're interested in :) - Count23 11:07, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Notes

• The producers' and series creator's first choice of actor for the role of John Sheppard was Ben Browder, but due to filming conflicts (Browder was filming Farscape: Peacekeepers Wars), they cast Joe Flanigan for the role instead. Browder was later given the role of Cameron Mitchell on Stargate SG-1.

References

Personality

Okay, I've added a personality section, to make it more in line with what I feel is the most detailed Stargate character page (Rodney McKay). I've tried to make it as 'encyclopedic' as possible, but it probably needs a bit of editing, and possibly lengthening. Jayk bakner 02:10, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

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Character Name

John Sheppard is the name of one of the writers who worked on MacGyver. Is that the source of this character's name (via Richard Dean Anderson)?--68.84.181.192 (talk) 18:29, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Unless you find a source that says something like "Stargate Atlantis' John Sheppard was named after a writer from McGyver", then it would be trivial information, and WP:TRIVIA says that trivia isn't really allowed. For all we know, the character was named after some other John Sheppard, or just came out of the top of the writers' head. -- Matthew R Dunn (talk) 20:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I was just asking because I was curious and I thought someone might know. Although I'm not really sure how unsourced equates to trivial. If there was a reliable source, there's no reason why it couldn't be added.--68.84.181.192 (talk) 16:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

His name could also be loosly based on William Shepherd one of the first astronauts on the ISS.TacfuJecan (talk) 20:57, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Characterization section

Can whoever added the {{originalresearch|date=December 2008}} flag to this section please get over themselves? We're talking about a character in a TV show here, for Christ's sake. Not everything on this site is some damn scientific thesis, and nor does it always have to read like one. Petrus4 (talk) 20:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, I removed the tags, and if any pedantic idiot who feels like putting it back on wants to argue the point with me, I'd be more than happy to "have a word" with you, just name the time and place. Also, get the stick out of your....86.140.39.237 (talk) 18:48, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Needs work

This article needs help --Trust Is All You Need (talk) 10:23, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

PROD → redirection

On 23 June 2024 at 04:04 UTC, I proposed the deletion of this page saying, Consists of naught but plot summary, without a single reliable secondary source, for its entire 19.24-year history. Unfortunately, the now-above AFD wasn't noted on this talk page, which precludes proposed-deletions, and so Liz (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) was required to decline the deletion regardless of any merits. So I'll ask here, does anybody object to redirecting this page to either Stargate Atlantis#Cast or List of Stargate Atlantis characters#John Sheppard (the latter being as equally devoid of citations to reliable secondary sources)? — Fourthords | =Λ= | 17:26, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

No objection here. I think distilling the primary-source description of the character to a paragraph is appropriate (so the characters article is fine to redirect to). Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:30, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

With no other objections, I've redirected the page as discussed. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 05:42, 17 July 2024 (UTC)