Talk:John Thirtle/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: I'll take on this excellent article. Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 17:03, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Comments

I've very little to say about this well-constructed biography of an English watercolourist.

• The lead image should be captioned to say it's a lithograph by C. J. Watson of a self-portrait by Thirtle. The date would be useful if it can be located.

done (date not yet determined) Hel-hama 07:16, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

date of original self portrait was 1816. Hel-hama 15:00, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

• The first paragraph of the Early life section is only partially cited.

sorted. Hel-hama 16:07, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

• Cotman could be linked in the Early life section.

Done. Hel-hama 20:38, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

• Later life: who says her age was remarkable?

Amended. Hel-hama 20:38, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

• It looks as if you've chosen Old Lynn because it has faded to red, as described in the text. Ideally this would be both captioned and cited. Otherwise it's a happy accident, hmm?

• Please wikilink Ashmolean Museum, Norwich Castle, and Norwich School of painters in the article body. This last could be a 'Further' link to head up 'Artistic career' as well as or instead of a link in the text.

Done. Hel-hama 20:38, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

• The surname is a form of Turkle, from Thor-ketil, the sacrificial cauldron for the god Thor. R. M. Wilson, A Dictionary of English Surnames, Oxford, 1997, p. 446. Might be worth a footnote.

Added. Hel-hama 20:33, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

• Personally I can't see the value of images of gravestones; the article's function is to describe the artist's life.

Done. Hel-hama 20:38, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

• The footnote on Jagger is probably just about relevant, but the mentions of his 'main rival' and 'successor' in that footnote are I think going too far from an account of Thirtle's life.

Agreed, ref amended.Hel-hama 20:38, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

• Some of the books have ISBN-13s, some ISBN-10s and some no ISBNs at all. I suggest we list ISBN-13s for all that exist, and OCLC or equivalent for the remainder. You can use the ISBN converter to turn ISBN-10s into -13s.

sorted. Hel-hama 20:20, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

• Perhaps the Plunkett photographs entry could be amended to indicate its relevance.

done Hel-hama 16:22, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

• The external links that are lists of works might be best separated into such a list, and marked up with the number of Thirtle's works at each location: 203 in Norfolk Museums, 10 at the V&A, 13 at Yale, 31 on Artnet, 3 on Norfolk Heritage Explorer.

Done.Hel-hama 20:38, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

It would be helpful to remark and cite (next to the relevant list entry) any works that critics consider especially worthy of note.

• I've made a few very minor tweaks to the text. That's about it from me. Great article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:24, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Well, all the essential items are done. A couple of minor suggestions remain open for consideration for post-GA improvement, but I'm satisfied that the GA criteria are well met here. It's good to see interesting and well-constructed local articles; I hope you'll also take the time to pick one or two articles from the GAN queue to review. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:21, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your encouraging comments, Chiswick Chap. I'll be able to add to the article as you suggest over the next week or so.Hel-hama 17:46, 15 September 2018 (UTC)