Talk:John of Capistrano

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His body lies in the Croatian town Ilok. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.131.66.214 (talk • contribs) 2 October 2005

Mission San Juan Capistrano in San Antonio, Texas is also named after him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.154.245.229 (talk • contribs) 14 November 2005

Question about dates[edit]

Is the the same John of Capostrano(1386 – 1456) who (according to the Book of Saints (ISBN ) was canonized in 1724 and whose feast is 23 October? I think that a little research may be in order.

—Ian Spackman 16:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Wikipedia claims that John of Capistrano was born on "June 24, 1386", but all the sources tell me is that he was born in just the year 1385 or 1386, as it is said in this link. This doesn't seem to fit his date of birth! --Angeldeb82 (talk) 02:00, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Joseph N. Tylenda, Saints and Feasts of the Liturgical Year: "St. John was born at Capistrano, near Aquila, Italy, on June 24, 1386.".
And Wikipedia doesn't "claim" anything - it is the encyclopedia anyone can edit :-) Scolaire (talk) 07:44, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for clearing this up for me.--Angeldeb82 (talk) 18:31, 3 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Curious English romance[edit]

I ran into a quaint Middle English metrical romance called "Capystranus", dated 1515, and probably printed by Wynkyn de Worde. The romance recounts how Sir John Capystranus, together with an unknown Richard Morpath (an English knight) and John Black (a former Turk, maybe John Hunyadi) strikes back at the Sultan at Constantinople. Despite the gross inconsistencies between history and fiction, the relationship is pretty clear.

The romance is written in a pretty terse rhyme, with the usual focus on religion and violence.

This might need some extensive research, for which I unfortunately do not have the time nor resources at the moment. Someone will have fun with it.

erikcats 20:30, 14 April 2008 (CET)

Move[edit]

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The result of the move request was page moved. @harej 00:59, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Giovanni da Capistrano → John of Capistrano — per Naming conventions, article title should be in English Philly jawn (talk) 18:30, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Move, per nom. Scolaire (talk) 22:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose without solid proof that the name John of Capistrano is more used in reference and scholar books than his original birth name. To be consistent, then we have to translate someting loke 1000 or more articles that have Giovanni in their name. --Foroa (talk) 11:43, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support - John wins 3:2 on Google, and suffers less when excluding Wikipedia mirrors. Not necessarily convincing enough to persuade me on WP:COMMONNAME, but enough to tip it slightly for WP:UE. 81.110.104.91 (talk) 15:38, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd like to see more evidence of usage in some English language reliable sources before any move (there's more options too - St John Capistran, St John Capistrano, etc). John is not automatically English in the sense of "Use English" , in the same way that La traviata wasn't written by Joe Green - so we need to determine how widespread the different forms are. Knepflerle (talk) 20:52, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The naming convention for saints is listed here, Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Clergy)#Saints, "Saints go by their most common English name, minus the "Saint", unless they are only recognisable by its inclusion."Philly jawn (talk) 20:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • ...and can we have some evidence of what the most common name in English is, please? Knepflerle (talk) 22:00, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
On Google Books, John of Capistrano gets 1,500 hits in English while Giovanni da Capistrano gets about 650. Scolaire (talk) 20:41, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Here, on English wikipedia the name John seems to be better.--Nmate (talk) 12:53, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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War with Sigismondo Pandolfo Malatesta?[edit]

The page says Peruga went to war with Sigismondo Pandolfo Malatesta in 1416. According to his page, Sigismondo wasn't born until 1417, so this seems extremely unlikely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sourisvoleur (talk • contribs) 03:12, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Whitewash[edit]

Has anyone noticed that someone whitewashed this page to remove any mention of John’s persecution of the Jews??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:547:1000:3090:1574:609e:a7cf:afc7 (talk • contribs) 16:12, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It is a historical misconception that he persecuted Jews. He simply preached against them. 2600:4040:A194:7000:3428:D633:B4DC:D53D (talk) 23:55, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What seems to be whitewashed seems to be the reason for the persecution being ritual murders. 105.12.7.16 (talk) 17:18, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is a historical fact that Capistrano was personally responsible for the torture and burning alive of over 60 Jewish people in Wroclaw. This is confirmed by the biography of his friars Nicolaus de Fara, Christopherus de Varese and Hieronymus de Utino, as well as the report of the Viennese eyewitness Oswald Reicholf. Even Johannes Hofer CSsr, quoted in the article, does not deny the pogrom - but even tries to defend it (vol. 2, p. 214). Capistrano is a mass murderer. Satorarepotenetopera (talk) 11:13, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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