Talk:Joint warfare in South Vietnam, 1963–1969

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Casualty count[edit]

More Communists killed than they had troops engaged?? NealeFamily (talk) 22:05, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Lede section paragraph[edit]

First off, this is an oddly defined article topic that it's Citizendium's "fault" for being weird on, since the topic is not entirely clear (It's sort of "Vietnam War, 1963-69" but also not quite?). Anyway, I removed the following strange paragraph from the lede awhile ago, and I see that User:Worldwar1989 restored it without comment:

The North Vietnamese term for the large-scale introduction of U.S. ground forces, in 1965, is the Local War, according to Gen. Trần Văn Trà, the Vietnamese Communist Party concluded, the "United States was forced to introduce its own troops because it was losing the war. It had lost the political game in Vietnam....the situation allows us to shift our revolution to a new stage, that of decisive victory." The Party issued a resolution to this effect, which was transmitted, in October 1967, to the Central Office for South Vietnam and to key officials of the major commands in the South. They were directed to begin detailed planning for what was to become the Tet Offensive.^[1] Note that there was a delay of approximately two years between the Politburo decision and the directive to begin planning, so it can be asked if the Politburo did actually make the broad strategic decision in 1965, or some time later, as they grew more aware of the effect of U.S. operations.

This doesn't make any sense. The North Vietnamese view of the Americanization part of the war is relevant, yes, but a long extended quote from a single North Vietnamese general in the lede is wildly disproportionate, and a Google does not back up the idea that "Local War" was the North Vietnamese term for this. The bizarre "Note a delay" stuff about Politburo decisions has nothing to do with anything and isn't even clear what it's saying.

Also, let me put this bluntly: WorldWar1989, are you User:Qajar? I assume you are, since you have the exact same interests (Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc.) and are restoring Qajar's material (well, material added by a Qajar sock). I think it's been long enough since 2010 that I'm not in a hurry to report you as a sockpuppet, but please collaborate better with other editors, and use edit summaries. This isn't optional on Wikipedia: you need to explain your edits. SnowFire (talk) 18:04, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Trần Văn Trà (1993), "Tet: The 1968 General Offensive and General Uprising", in Jayne S. Werner and Luu Doan Huynh (ed.), The Vietnam War: American and Vietnamese Perspective, M.E. Sharpe, Tran Van Tra-Tet, pp. 38-40

[TVT-Tet-1] Trần Văn Trà (1993), "Tet: The 1968 General Offensive and General Uprising", in Jayne S. Werner and Luu Doan Huynh (ed.), The Vietnam War: American and Vietnamese Perspective, M.E. Sharpe, Tran Van Tra-Tet, pp. 38-40

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