Talk:Jonathan Trumbull

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Do we have a source for the early "Trumble" name? That would perhaps clarify why he was born under one name and then changed it. - Pernambuco 00:13, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I am a Trumbull and I have searched for YEARS on the meaning of my name and why it was changed and i have came up with nothing. At the same time there are a few lines of Trumbulls. The spellings are Trumbull, Trumble, and I have yet to be able to link the family trees together

Perhaps "Trumble" was an intermediate misspelling (possibly an attempt to "correct" it to match words like "rumble" and "humble")? This is based on the fact that the shield of Yale's Trumbull College consists of three bull heads. If the "bull" weren't an original part of the name's meaning, then it seems unlikely (though I suppose it's possible) that the shield would have been created to portray bulls just because the name sounds like "bull." Bgwwlm 05:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

It's probably better not to overthink it -- at that time, variations in the spellings of personal names were relatively common. It wasn't quite as chaotic as in Shakespeare's day, when the name "Shakespeare" was encountered in 47 different spelings (or whatever), but there was not necessarily a strict concern with absolute spelling consistency. AnonMoos (talk) 09:09, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Historical importance of Trumbull life

This article is lacking a lot of important information. Very little is included in this article about Trumbull's participation in the Revolution, ie: his relationship to Washington, and other pro-British governors. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nowax (talk • contribs) 18:32, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

Date discrepancy

Boxes say start of term was 1776, text says 1769... AnonMoos (talk) 08:58, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Signature

The signature depicted on this page is that of John Trumbull (1756-1843), son of Jonathan Trumbull (1710-1765). 100.38.5.2 (talk) 18:48, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

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Description of Jonathan Trumbull as a slave owner

A new account added the unsourced addition of "slave owner" to the description of Turnbull it this article, and to the description of the town of Trumbull, Connecticut's namesake in the lead of that article and the lead of History of Trumbull, Connecticut.. Now another new account has appeared to restore the additions and to additionally add it of the lead of this article; this time with a source stating that he once purchased a slave. Fair enough, he once owned a slave. That's fine to add to his article, but I don't think that is worth mentioning in the town's article, or in the history of the town. I've left the new editor's now-sourced addition of the information in the body of this article, but I do not agree that it also belongs in the lead of this article. let alone as the very first hing we say about him,. He was the governor of Connecticut and an early Patriot during the Revolution. Is there some evidence that he is particularly noted as a slave owner? Meters (talk) 00:39, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

It's ridiculous to quote a source verbatim stating that he bought a slave "in 1736, the year before he married" and in the VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH state that he married in 1735. There's an obvious discrepancy and it should be addressed or the page should be edited. The GrknDeacon (talk) 15:56, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

I'd leave the reference to Jonathan Trumbull being a slave owner in the introduction. There are two articles related to slavery in Trumbull, CT: Nero Hawley, who fought in the Revolutionary War and earned his freedom, and Reverend James Beebe who owned his wife and children. Slavery is a part of the town history. Tomticker5 (talk) 12:39, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

I agree with TomTicker5. I added Jonathan to the American slave owner category. Paugussett (talk) 20:56, 9 September 2020 (UTC) — Paugussett (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Pinged Meters on his talk page Paugussett (talk) 17:10, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I saw your comment on this page, and I saw your comment on my page with your cryptic comment. So? You added a cat. That's fine. I have nothing against that, just as I didn't object to mentioning in his article that he had owned a slave. The point I'm raising in this thread is whether it is appropriate to describe him in in the leads of the articles as a slave owner, as if that is the most notable thing about him.

By the way, it's fairly suspicious when yet another new account (the fourth after CU-blocked user:7USpv9^k, user:3c2Sv, and user:PPkS24Z ) is created as an SPA on this topic.

And next time you attempt to contact someone on their talk page I suggest that you use a header and not hide your comment in a thread from18 months ago. Meters (talk) 03:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

I had no malicious intent on your talk page. I am not saying that being a slave owner is the most notable thing about him. I am saying that owning slave is at least as significant as him being a statesman and politician. Let's work towards a consensus here. Shall we remove all descriptors from the intro? Paugussett (talk) 20:49, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

More than a bit difficult to AGF when someone strikes out the majority of your talk page. Meters (talk) 20:52, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Can we move on from this? I made an editing mistake and apologized for it. Can you address my relevant asks? Interestingly it seems you have a history of editing pages relating to black lives matter? Paugussett (talk) 21:18, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

•  Administrator note Lots of socking going on here. I have protected the page x 1 month. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

He once owned a slave. As I've said, now that that has been sourced I have no issue with it having been mentioned in his article, and including him in the slave owner cat. But the attempts to describe him as a slave owner in the lead of his article and in articles that are only very loosely associated with him (Trumbull, Connecticut, History of Trumbull, Connecticut, and now even Jonathan the Husky [1]) are not appropriate in my opinion. Again, "Is there some evidence that he is particularly noted as a slave owner?" George Washington's association with slave holding is much stronger. We have an entire article about George Washington and slavery, George Washington and slavery. When he died he had 124 of his own slaves on his estate and managed almost 200 others, and there are numerous articles about George Washington and associated topics, (some good articles, or featured articles) but I have not noticed any that use the "George Washington, slave owner" style of address that users are attempting to use with Jonathan Trumbull . And if anyone is tempted to raise WP:OSE, I suggest that you read it first, and then read WP:OTHERCONTENT. Meters (talk) 04:02, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Must disagree with Paugussett that 'owning [a] slave is at least as significant as him being a statesman and politician'. It was quite insignificant for its time. Valetude (talk) 13:24, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Marriage date

"In 1736, one year prior to his marriage, Jonathan Trumbull Sr. purchased Flora, a 'mulato girl and slave for life', from Eliphalet Adams of New London. On December 9, 1735, he married Faith Robinson (1718–1780)"

This doesn't add up; if he married in 1735, he cannot have acquired a slave in 1736 "one year prior to his marriage".Mirza Ahmed (talk) 20:10, 4 June 2022 (UTC)