Talk:Joseph P. Kennedy Jr.

antisemite?

no references included to show that he was. The ones cited are not available, until sources provided, need to delete statements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.38.155.134 (talk) 01:55, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

"Find-A-Grave" EL

Per WP:ELNO points #1, #4, #12 and #13, we are not here to promote "Find-A-Grave". Any person can go out and take a picture of the grave at Arlington, donate to the WMF, and then post it on the article. We do not need to link to this site to get an image of the headstone. It's a spam external link. Doc talk 11:23, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I think you are misinterpreting WP:ELNO. By your standards, it appears that linking to any website in the external links section would be a promotion. Why doesn't anyone go out and take the picture, donate it to WMF and then post it on the article? For as long as no one does, I don't see why we should deny readers the opportunity to see several relevant photographs of nice quality (if not to reader the entry about him). Surtsicna (talk) 11:33, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure you understand the editorial oversight over there. It sucks. I'm talking WP:ELNEVER-style. ELNO I certainly do not misunderstand. If there is an ability to create a free alternative, which there certainly is for any dedicated individual with a camera and some time to visit the boneyard, there is certainly no need to link to this useless spam site. It's a wormy way around the WP:NFCC at best, COPYVIOs in most cases at worst. Doc talk 11:39, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I must admit I am only superficially acquainted with the mechanics of the website. I'll see if there is an image of the tablet on Flickr. Surtsicna (talk) 12:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Take your time! Image issues I learned hard and fast awhile ago - a tough area to navigate. Cheers :) Doc talk 12:04, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

This is not a grave but a commemorative headstone. His body was never recovered, hence the listing of his name on the Memorial to the Missing at the American Cemetery in Cambridge. I am inclined to modify the picture's caption accordingly.Cloptonson (talk) 22:26, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Flawed bomb control

A new TV documentary suggests that Electromagnetic interference to a flawed bomb control caused the explosion: "In our documentary we show that solenoids – a type of electromagnet – used for arming the bombs were likely to have overheated causing premature detonation." best link, although flawed Further. An electrician tried to warn everyone, including Joe. [1]. The information is not presently useful as documentation, but could point to more documents. TGCP (talk) 21:40, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

this is covered in detail in current pbs NOVA episode "destroying hitters supergun"

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/military/hitlers-supergun.html Episode details not yet published Mulp (talk) 01:58, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

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Not Heligoland?

Regarding:

It was to be used against the U-boat pens at Heligoland in the North Sea.

This contradicts with Fortress of Mimoyecques (and Bombing Hitler's Supergun Documentary):

Two such attacks were mounted but failed; in the second such attack, on 12 August, Lt Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. – the elder brother of future US President John F. Kennedy – was killed when the drone aircraft exploded prematurely.

--Mortense (talk) 07:43, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

wreckage? bodies?

I've always been under the impression that the plane exploded over open water, but the article indicates otherwise. The planned bailout was "near RAF Manston", and wreckage landed near the village of Blythburgh. So my questions are....How much wreckage was actually recovered? And were any human remains found? Elsquared (talk) 09:38, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

The aircraft exploded over Blythburgh, which is on a marshy tidal estuary but not 'open water'. Considerable local damage was caused by falling debris. There were no human remains, as the two crew were sitting on ten tons of Torpex and were completely vaporised in the explosion. Ironically, the mission was redundant. The target, the vast concrete-domed silo at the Fortress of Mimoyecques, was believed by the Allies to be a possible V-2 launch site, as the article notes. In fact it was the site of the V-3 cannon multiple 'supergun', which would have bombarded London night and day from 25 barrels with 150mm shells. The Allies did not yet know that the whole site had been successfully written off on 6 July in an attack by Lancasters of No. 617 Squadron RAF dropping five-ton Tallboy 'earthquake bombs'. Hundreds of slave workers were entombed and all work on the site was abandoned by the enemy. But the Tallboys' critical damage was done underground and was not apparent from Allied aerial photography. Since the Anvil drone bomber had no penetrative power against ferro-concrete and would simply have exploded on the surface, it may have had very little effect on the structure anyway. Khamba Tendal (talk) 19:30, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Was he invited to, or joined, any clubs at Harvard?

His father was a member of Hasty Pudding club (but not invited to the Porcellian club). Was Joe Jr invited to any club? Joined any of them? Maybe even not being invited to any of them should be mentioned in the article where it mentions he went to Harvard? Thanks in advance. Betathetapi454 (talk) 06:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Order of education is wrong (I believe)

According to the source [3] cited in the article, Joe spent a year at the London School of Economics between high school and Harvard, not after graduating from Harvard.

https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/joseph-patrick-kennedy-jr-a-dream-unfulfilled.htm

"Joe Jr.’s success at Choate gained him admission to Harvard University, his father’s alma mater. Before he enrolled, however, he spent a year studying at the London School of Economics with Professor Harold Laski. Under his tutelage, Joe learned economic theory and traveled throughout Europe to see how different economic systems functioned in practice. After his year abroad, Joe enrolled at Harvard in 1934."

That chronology is confirmed in the biography Lost Destiny by Alan Axelrod. Should I make the edit? Kangaroos22 (talk) 19:45, 13 August 2024 (UTC)