Talk:Juba Nuer Massacre

	Africa portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Africa, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Africa on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.AfricaWikipedia:WikiProject AfricaTemplate:WikiProject AfricaAfrica articles
???	This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject South Sudan (assessed as Low-importance).

Merge proposal[edit]

I propose merging Nuer massacre into Juba Nuer Massacre. JustBeCool (talk) 16:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, it's about the same topic. Applodion (talk) 17:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support: these are the same event ~~although it would have been easier to merge things the other way around but I will leave the logistic to the nominator.~~ but this article should be merged to the Nuer massacre not the other way around. See the discussion below FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:55, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, identical topic :Alexanderkowal (talk) 11:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@JustBeCool though I agree with your proposal, the merging should be the other way around, Juba Nuer massacre into Nuer Massacre. Gatwech Gai (talk) 09:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What would be the reasoning for merging the other way around? The "Juba Nuer Massacre" article is older and the "Nuer massacare" should have been merged into it in the first place. Going by the sources, there is no one name I could find, but this opinion piece refers to it as the 'Juba Nuer Massacre' [1] and this book written by a survivor calls it the 'Juba Massacre' [2] which is also closer to 'Juba Nuer Massacre'. Additionally, I would favor 'Juba Nuer Massacre' because there would have been quite a few massacres of Nuers and potentially more as there is still low level fighting and so some kind of specifying would help rather than a generic 'Nuer massacre'. JustBeCool (talk) 15:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand and anyone here would tell you that "Juba Nuer Massacre" is older than "Nuer Massacre" but does that make it more important and accurate than the new article?

According to the Wikipedia article titles, the title indicates what the article is about and "Nuer massacre" embody what the article is about, though it may sounds generic to some. Juba is the location where the massacre happened, its not what the article is about. The article is about the Nuer innocent civilian that were mercilessly and senselessly killed.

Another reasoning would be the reliability, thoroughness, accurateness and the clear indication of what happened, how it happened during that period of time and which article can give you all that as a reader, last time I checked its "Nuer Massacre". Favoring "Juba Nuer Massacre" article when it only give you half of what the "Nuer Massacre" article clearly articulate is not only absurd, but a clear denial of what the event was about to the knowledge seekers. Nuer people every where in the world commemorate this event on December 15 annually as "Nuer genocide" not "Juba Nuer massacre". The article was originally published under the "Nuer genocide" but moved to "Nuer massacre".

Now to let you know, there is never been a massacre of such scale against the Nuer people in the history of their existence. I was born and raised in South Sudan, went through all kind of struggles, whether Sudanese civil war before the independence or South Sudanese civil war after the independence.

If merging should happen which we all support, it should be "Juba Nuer Massacre" into "Nuer Massacre" simple as that. Gatwech Gai (talk) 22:21, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think I see your argument, having Juba preceding it trivialises it Alexanderkowal (talk) 22:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you have some source to back up your preferred term? but the only ones I found that I mentioned above support Juba Nuer Massacre. In any case, since there is agreement to merge then the merge can happen and the title change discussion can happen separately on a new discussion. JustBeCool (talk) 11:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gatwech Gai: for above comment Alexanderkowal (talk) 12:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Bloody Nile, South Sudan: Untold story, Nuer Nation. These books plainly described the incident as it happened way better than your source especially the Bloody Nile. If you had read Nuer massacre article, you would have noticed these sources in the references section.

Please take sometime to compare both articles side by side, you will not only notice that the article that you are favoring (Juba Nuer Massacre) has way shorter length 15k compared to Nuer massacre with 34k length, you will also notice that Nuer massacre is way deeper into the topic in question than Juba Nuer Massacre which is way shallow and severely lack comprehensive knowledge about the topic.

Please merge Juba Nuer massacre into Nuer Massacre. Nuer Massacre has to be the destination page as it cover the topic comprehensively. The other editors in here can back that up as well. Gatwech Gai (talk) 12:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I tentatively support that Alexanderkowal (talk) 12:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @Alexanderkowal Gatwech Gai (talk) 12:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]