Talk:Jump (Tyla, Gunna, and Skillibeng song)/Archive 1

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Oxford comma

I've already been accused of WP:OWN here although I did not create this article, it was created by Qaqaamba. Therefore, I do not wish to revert the edit before reaching consensus. Launchballer, I thought you said something about the Oxford comma when you moved the page a week ago. Looking at Forever (Drake, Kanye West, Lil Wayne, and Eminem song), I was convinced that the Oxford comma was a thing but here we go again Facepalm dxneo (talk) 02:37, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

You're quite right, the MOS:OXFORD comma is a thing, and that policy is quite clear that it should be used.--Launchballer 05:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello Coolmarc. I'm echoing the sentiments of Launchballer and Dxneo. Your recent edits appear to be non-constructive and are likely to be undone. Qaqaamba (talk) 07:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Dxneo and Launchballer: Am I missing something or where does it say at MOS:OXFORD that article titles should have an Oxford comma in them? It says to be consistent on the use unless it's for clarity. I don't think "Gunna and Skillibeng" without a comma between them implies that those two are a collective. Ss112 08:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Ss112 according to MOS:OXFORD "In such cases of ambiguity, clarify one of four ways:", "To list several people" , "To list three people". This shouldn't be a significant issue warranting for modification and I fail to understand why Coolmarc has now what appears to be instigated this unecessary debate or discussion. Additionally, I find it strange that after Coolmarc and Dxneo , had a dispute at Tyla's article (Special:Diff/1225510227) , Coolmarc, appeared to have followed Dxeno's edits, assumed that Dxneo created this article, as Dxneo recently evidently contributed a lot and thereafter decides to intentionallly as well as unecessarily modify what he /she assumed to be Dxneo's edits, as per "edit summary" ( [1]) accusing Dxneo of WP:OWN. Qaqaamba (talk) 08:31, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Qaqaamba: I wouldn't necessarily say Coolmarc has been following Dxneo's edits. Coolmarc has been adding charts to song articles in the past couple of days and would have come across this eventually. Coolmarc appears to have edited this article to add a chart before commenting on any talk page relating to Tyla. Ss112 08:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I also disagree with Coolmarc's rewrite of the lede. In my opinion, it's even worse than the previous version. However, it seems Coolmarc is convinced that it's an improvement over the "poorly written" one, which doesn't make sense to me at all. It all appears to be unnecessary and somewhat malicious from my perspective. Qaqaamba (talk) 08:53, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't think i have came across in the 10 years I've been on Wikipedia a song article titled with the comma like that. Nobody is assuming Gunna and Skillibeng are a collective. I checked WP:SONGDAB and there is no mention of using the comma, Bang Bang (Jessie J, Ariana Grande and Nicki Minaj song) is even used an example there. Cool Marc ✉ 09:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Are we genuinely debating over a single comma here? And what about your lede rewrite, what makes it less, "poorly written"? Bottom-line, you were wrong for implementing that without discussing it, first and you're now instigating as well as synthesizing that it's such a big deal and treason against the encyclopedia. Perhaps it's time to take a break and step outside for a bit. Qaqaamba (talk) 09:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Facepalm, comma or no comma, it doesn't matter 'cause the content is still intact. All of you are really doing a great job and we appreciate that. Removing cited content or removing verifiable information should be discussed on the article talk. I don't like to engage in content dispute and I'm sorry if I stepped on your toe. Let's maintain a healthy working relationship moving on from here Thank you. dxneo (talk) 09:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't believe I maliciously removed sourced content anywhere. I've already explained on Talk:Tyla (South African singer) that Billboard Hits of the World charts should only be used if the artist/song did not appear on The Official South African Charts, South Africa's recognized national chart. Cool Marc ✉ 09:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Lead

With regards to the accusations above about my edit of the lede. It read like a laundry list of names and people involved, incorrectly attributed vocal producers as being record producers, and was not consistent with the naming.

Jump" is a song by South African singer Tyla, American rapper Gunna, and Jamaican DJ and rapper Skillibeng from Tyla's debut studio album Tyla (2024). this did not read well, Tyla's debut studio album Tyla? impacted rhythmic crossover radio I made this more clear. The song was written by Tyla Seethal, Ariowa Irosogie, Imani Lewis, Corey Marlon Lindsay-Keay, Samuel Awuku, Samuel Kitchens, and Emwah Warmington, with production handled by frequent collaborators Sammy Soso, Ari PenSmith, Mocha and Believve. Ari PenSmith, Mocha and Believve are credited as vocal producers and are not the actual record producer. The naming here is also not consistent with the people's common names and suddenly talks about them by their birth name and even confuses the writers as being different to the producer "Tyla Seethal", Imani Lewis is known as "Mocha", Corey Marlon Lindsay-Keay is "Believve", Samuel Awuku is "Sammy Soso", Samuel Kitchens is Gunna, Emwah Warmington is Skillibeng. Cool Marc ✉ 09:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Coolmarc is it necessarily to create an entire section? I thought we Dxneo, Ss112 and Launchballer, yourself and myself included have all moved on from this. Thank you for providing your alleged rationale regarding your edit(s) and as per above yours and all of our constructive contributions have been appreciated. I am certain no one wants to be engaging in a what appears to be a synthesized and intentional and maliscious, tired , drawn-out debate on a Friday or Saturday (wherever we all are, at present) over trivial matters. Please, let it/us go. This specific section will be archived, soon. Qaqaamba (talk) 10:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Please drop the attitude. I made a new section in response to your accusations unrelated to the comma so yes it is necessary. I would appreciate you stop accusing my edits of being malicious when they are clearly not. Cool Marc ✉ 10:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

@Coolmarc you were the one who initiated accusations and debate. I fail to see why you've undone the archiving of this section. It's likely to be archived again soon, either manually or by a bot. Your supposed stipulations above hold no weight, as multiple contributors contributed and stipulated what was in the lede based on various RS. It seems you'll be having these debates alone, as I'm sure nobody is interested in what you're attempting to accomplish, nor is it conducive to building the encyclopedia in a collaborative and constructive manner. Qaqaamba (talk) 10:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Firstly, you have started all this by claiming my editing is malicious and archiving this discussion trying to silence me. How do my points not hold weight? The lead was presenting misconstrued facts and read like a laundry list. I never removed content, I constructively edited and corrected content as explained above. I'm all for collaborative effort. Cool Marc ✉ 10:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Your inaccurate assertion, accusation and assumption in the form of WP:OWN comment in an edit summary specifically after a dispute at the Tyla article and then coming over here to edit war over a single comma camouflaged with edits, unfortunately set a negative tone. Now that you've made your point, I prefer not to continue any further unecessary engagement with you. If that means silencing you as well, then so be it. Best regards. Qaqaamba (talk) 10:39, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I will say my piece and I do not have to discuss every single constructive edit I make to you and Dxneo first. This is a collaborative encyclopedia which I have been a part of more than 10 years. I have written dozens of good articles, been part of several FACs and know how things work around here. I do not appreciate the personal and fake narrative you and Dxneo are creating that I am here with malicious intentions. Please stop lying - I never edit warred over a comma or "camouflaged" edits. I will take it up with an admin if these accusations continues. Cool Marc ✉ 10:57, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

In reply to the initial post in this section: I don't have a vested interest in which way the lead is written, so it doesn't matter much either way to me, but I assumed whoever wrote the lead (and when I see things like "Tyla's debut studio album Tyla" written), that whoever wrote it has read WP:OFTHESAMENAME and has followed that advice. Of course, that's an essay and not a guideline or policy, so nobody's obliged to follow it, but in some cases it is sensible where "of the same name" can be confusing or in cases where it seems the wording goes out of its way to avoid a repeated word. In this case, "Tyla's self-titled debut album" seems fine to me though. Ss112 10:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Ss112 thank you for sharing your perspective; it's truly insightful and impactful. Let's hope we can all really move forward from this now 😊 Qaqaamba (talk) 10:29, 25 May 2024 (UTC)