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A fact from Juniperus scopulorum appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 March 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that mule deer sometimes prefer the flavor of one Rocky Mountain juniper tree, like "ice cream", over another?

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There is a lot more information about this species out there, but I am not sure how much more is notable information. Chime in with links or suggestions of new sources, but I think this is more or less "B" class now. Which is where I wanted to get it to. I'll come back to copy edit once this is no longer as fresh in my mind. 🌿MtBotany (talk)) 04:52, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by PrimalMustelid talk 12:18, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that in a controlled experiment, a Bohemian waxwing ate 900 Rocky Mountain juniper cones in five hours? Source: ^[1]
- ALT1: ... that mule deer will turn some Rocky Mountain junipers into "ice-cream trees"? Source: ^[2]
- ALT2: ... that Rocky Mountain juniper is parasitized by a leafless species of mistletoe? Source: ^[3]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hypericum grandifolium
- Comment: My QPQ is in progress, but I expect that it will be completed by the time this nomination is being reviewed. My editing of Juniperus scopulorum is ongoing and I'm open to ideas and suggestions for improvement. Right now ALT0 is worded "cones", but it could also be "berries" since that is also used for their fruits, I just thought it slightly more hook-y.

5x expanded by MtBotany (talk). Self-nominated at 18:10, 7 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Juniperus scopulorum; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Starting review--Kev min § 17:25, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Expansion extensive and new enough. Article fully referenced with not problematic sourcing identified in citations. no policy violations or non-pov issues seen in prose. No copy-vios identified in prose. hooks are cited and sources verified for Alt0 and alt2. alt 1 is take AGF due to limited preview of source. looks good to go.--Kev min § 19:43, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, @Kev min. I'm not sure if you're aware, but accounts on archive.org are free and allow for borrowing books like Northwest trees for one hour. It is why I favor it over google books for references. One more tip: if you don't want to get an account doing a search for a string will show if it is in the book and highlight it. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 20:52, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question for you MtBotany, Northwest trees uses the term "ice cream" trees twice that I'm seeing, both on page 134. Its used as a "flavor" description in apparent allusion to children when both candy and veggies are offered. They prefer the "ice cream" trees. The wording you have here and in Juniperus scopulorum is that of a morphology and not a behaviour. Is there more to the usage in Northwest trees that I am missing or should the "ice cream" sections be refactored as a flavor preference and not a growth morphology.--Kev min § 21:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kevmin Oh shoot. I struck my mistake. I messed up somewhere along the line and misremembered what the author wrote. Withdraw the DYK or rewrite? It could be something like ALT3: ... that that mule deer treat some Rocky Mountain junipers like "ice-cream trees"? Do you think that works? Obviously I need to fix the article as well. I could have sworn I read about deer browsing up juniper trees there. Fixing shortly. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 01:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ahhh, okay that makes more sense, I was picturing trees with no lower foliage and an "ice cream scoop" of needles above browsing height. I think alt3s wording should be good, or something along the lines of "...mule deer sometimes prefer the flavor of one Rocky Mountain juniper tree, like "ice cream", over another.--Kev min § 01:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is the exact image that got into my head, somehow, even though it is not in the book. Maybe when I was reading Trees of the Great Basin I got the two conflated. That author wrote, "Deer sometimes browse heavily on the foliage, creating a distinct 'browse line' below which the trees are cleared of their greenery." p.119 And the picture I found on iNaturalist. Memory is not perfect at times. Back to the issue: I like that version and I think it a fair representation of the source material. Anyone have wording suggestions or critiques? 🌿MtBotany (talk) 02:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think alt3 is good to go--Kev min § 03:15, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Phillips, Frank J. (1910). "The Dissemination of Junipers by Birds". Forestry Quarterly. 8. Cambridge, Massachusetts: 62. Retrieved 6 February 2024.
^ Arno, Stephen F. (1977). Northwest trees. Seattle, Washington: Mountaineers. p. 134. ISBN 978-0-916890-50-6. Retrieved 7 February 2024.
^ Olsen, Mary; Young, Deborah. "True Mistletoes" (PDF). University of Arizona Cooperative Extension. Department of Plant Sciences, University of Arizona. Retrieved 5 February 2024.

[1] Phillips, Frank J. (1910). "The Dissemination of Junipers by Birds". Forestry Quarterly. 8. Cambridge, Massachusetts: 62. Retrieved 6 February 2024.

[2] Arno, Stephen F. (1977). Northwest trees. Seattle, Washington: Mountaineers. p. 134. ISBN 978-0-916890-50-6. Retrieved 7 February 2024.

[3] Olsen, Mary; Young, Deborah. "True Mistletoes" (PDF). University of Arizona Cooperative Extension. Department of Plant Sciences, University of Arizona. Retrieved 5 February 2024.

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