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http://www.apu.ac.jp/~yoshim/Aisin%20Gioro%20Ulhicun.pdf
Use of script
http://books.google.com/books?id=Wn4iv_RJv8oC&pg=PA185#v=onepage&q=Script&f=false
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http://books.google.com/books?id=KHwPAAAAYAAJ&q=nized+that+nobody+in+garrisons+could+read+old+Jurchen+script,+and+even+headmen+wanted+to+communicate+with+the+Chinese+and+Ko%C2%AD+reans+in+Mongolian+(Crossley,+1997:37-8).&dq=nized+that+nobody+in+garrisons+could+read+old+Jurchen+script,+and+even+headmen+wanted+to+communicate+with+the+Chinese+and+Ko%C2%AD+reans+in+Mongolian+(Crossley,+1997:37-8).&hl=en&sa=X&ei=L2cwVJGgGOTksATT-oKYDA&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA
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http://books.google.com/books?id=v6k-AAAAcAAJ&pg=PR19&dq=The+use+of+these+alphabets+seem+to+have+outlived+the+dynasty,+for+a+college+was+established+the+special+study+of+the+in+1407,+during+the+Ming&hl=en&sa=X&ei=AaxWU7OTM9PEsATz84GoBQ&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=The%20use%20of%20these%20alphabets%20seem%20to%20have%20outlived%20the%20dynasty%2C%20for%20a%20college%20was%20established%20the%20special%20study%20of%20the%20in%201407%2C%20during%20the%20Ming&f=false
Die sprache und schrift der jucen (1896)
https://archive.org/details/diespracheundsc00unkngoog
http://books.google.com/books?id=4WouAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=zBkYAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://www.deepsky.com/~merovech/voynich/diespracheundsc00unkngoog.pdf
https://archive.org/details/rosettaproject_juc_detail-1
https://archive.org/details/rosettaproject_juc_contents-1
https://archive.org/details/rosettaproject_juc_references-1
http://www.jstor.org/stable/25208941
http://ebooks.lib.hku.hk/exhibits/show/ebooks/item?id=324
http://ebooks.lib.hku.hk/archive/files/6745232dbb112d463598887456b63b8c.pdf
Latest extant date (1526)
http://books.google.com/books?id=1bArr1-E5mQC&pg=PA13&dq=1526+Jurchen&hl=en&sa=X&ei=o_0wVIaUEsicygSFwYKgAg&ved=0CCQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=1526%20Jurchen&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=6fqJL619dlgC&pg&pg=PA13#v=onepage&q&f=false
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http://books.google.com/books?id=OFdwAAAAMAAJ&q=...+which+was+followed+by+a+number+of+other+steles,+but+the+most+important+source+is+the+collection+of+materials,+i.e.+documents+and+a+glossary,+known+as+Hua-i+i-yu,+3+which+contains,+inter+alia,+a+petition+of+1526.%5E+Jurchen+has+been+studied+little.&dq=...+which+was+followed+by+a+number+of+other+steles,+but+the+most+important+source+is+the+collection+of+materials,+i.e.+documents+and+a+glossary,+known+as+Hua-i+i-yu,+3+which+contains,+inter+alia,+a+petition+of+1526.%5E+Jurchen+has+been+studied+little.&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6P0wVOrSItCcyAS5uoGwCQ&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA
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http://books.google.com/books?id=Jz8wAQAAIAAJ&q=collected+in+the+Jurchen+section+of+the+Hua-i+i-yii,+span+the+one-hundred-twelve+year+period+from+1414+to+1526,+...&dq=collected+in+the+Jurchen+section+of+the+Hua-i+i-yii,+span+the+one-hundred-twelve+year+period+from+1414+to+1526,+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JP4wVOHWLoOkyATXhoKoCQ&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA
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http://books.google.com/books?ei=YmcwVNaQGMnmsAS_rYKoDA&id=g3sPAAAAYAAJ&dq=1526+Jurchen&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=1526
http://books.google.com/books?id=g3sPAAAAYAAJ&q=1526+Jurchen&dq=1526+Jurchen&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-P0wVNekIIf2yQS8k4GABw&ved=0CD8Q6AEwBjgK
http://books.google.com/books?id=g3sPAAAAYAAJ&q=The+dates+that+appear+in+the+thirty-nine+memorials+span+the+one+hundred+twelve+year+period+from+the+12th+year+of+the+Yung-lo+yk+%5E+(1414)+to+the+5th+year+of+the+Chia-ching+%25s+jtn+(1526)+reign+periods.+Nevertheless,+due+to+the+aforementioned++...&dq=The+dates+that+appear+in+the+thirty-nine+memorials+span+the+one+hundred+twelve+year+period+from+the+12th+year+of+the+Yung-lo+yk+%5E+(1414)+to+the+5th+year+of+the+Chia-ching+%25s+jtn+(1526)+reign+periods.+Nevertheless,+due+to+the+aforementioned++...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=sf4wVJjwKsOmyASdk4CoCA&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA
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http://books.google.com/books?ei=YmcwVNaQGMnmsAS_rYKoDA&id=rHsyAAAAMAAJ&dq=1526+Jurchen&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=1526
http://books.google.com/books?id=rHsyAAAAMAAJ&q=1526+Jurchen&dq=1526+Jurchen&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-P0wVNekIIf2yQS8k4GABw&ved=0CE8Q6AEwCTgK
http://books.google.com/books?id=rHsyAAAAMAAJ&q=The+latest+date+mentioned+in+the+Jurchen+letters,+reproduced+in+Wilhelm+Grube,+Die+Sprache+und+Schrift+der+Jucen,+Leipzig,+1896,+pp.+106-144,+is+the+fifth+year+of+Chia-tsing+HJjflf+(1526).+(See+p.+114+of+Grube.)+Perhaps,+until+Nurhachi+decreed+...&dq=The+latest+date+mentioned+in+the+Jurchen+letters,+reproduced+in+Wilhelm+Grube,+Die+Sprache+und+Schrift+der+Jucen,+Leipzig,+1896,+pp.+106-144,+is+the+fifth+year+of+Chia-tsing+HJjflf+(1526).+(See+p.+114+of+Grube.)+Perhaps,+until+Nurhachi+decreed+...&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Xf8wVPnRC9P3yQSYloGYCQ&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA
http://books.google.com/books?id=rHsyAAAAMAAJ&q=US+(1526).+(See+p.+114+of+Grube.)+Perhaps,+until+Nurhachi+decreed+that+the+Mongolian+script+be+adopted+in+1599,+the+old+system+was+known&dq=US+(1526).+(See+p.+114+of+Grube.)+Perhaps,+until+Nurhachi+decreed+that+the+Mongolian+script+be+adopted+in+1599,+the+old+system+was+known&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_P4wVKqXN4agyQStzYLIDQ&ved=0CCMQ6AEwAQ
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http://books.google.com/books?id=jtVhAAAAMAAJ&q=1526+Jurchen&dq=1526+Jurchen&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-P0wVNekIIf2yQS8k4GABw&ved=0CEoQ6AEwCDgK
http://books.google.com/books?id=jtVhAAAAMAAJ&q=US+(1526).+(See+p.+114+of+Grube.)+Perhaps,+until+Nurhachi+decreed+that+the+Mongolian+script+be+adopted+in+1599,+the+old+system+was+known&dq=US+(1526).+(See+p.+114+of+Grube.)+Perhaps,+until+Nurhachi+decreed+that+the+Mongolian+script+be+adopted+in+1599,+the+old+system+was+known&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_P4wVKqXN4agyQStzYLIDQ&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA
Rajmaan (talk ) 04:38, 8 May 2014 (UTC) [ reply ]
this page . While it is true that the first version of the article contained copyvio from this source, this doesn't mean the whole article should be deleted. Aside from a small section now removed, all the current contents of the article was not present in that version and was written by other editors, so we have no reason to think it's a copyright violation.
While the presence of copyvio in a load of revisions in the history might be grounds for revision deletion under WP:RD1 the whole page does not qualify for deletion, and I don't think an RD1 deletion is a particularly good idea here given the age of the article, the number of revisions involved, and the small quantity of text.
Thanks to Bedfords for pointing out the copyvio. Hut 8.5 20:53, 24 August 2017 (UTC) [ reply ]
Wikipedia:Copyright violations . It says if there is no clean version then the article should be deleted.Bedfords (talk ) 21:12, 24 August 2017 (UTC) [ reply ] Wikipedia:Copyright problems but I can't post there because of some kind of page protection. Can you file this issue there so I learn more about the rules? What I need to see is a discussion on copyvio policy and how the rules apply.Bedfords (talk ) 21:17, 24 August 2017 (UTC) [ reply ] Wikipedia:Copyright problems if you want to get further assistance. Hut 8.5 06:30, 25 August 2017 (UTC) [ reply ] 
