Talk:Just a Girl

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Midwinter / POV and Factual Accuracy disputed tags added[edit]

I've put up the POV and Accuracy dispute tags on this page. The reason for this can be found in such examples as:

"Distinctive, totally original yet instantly familiar, America took this song to heart, as many people wanted something more than the overused grunge at the time."
Are you a fan, by any chance? Firstly, grunge was not as popular as it had been in the early 90s by 1995; in fact, with the death of Nirvana, all but the most manufactured of groups were moving on, developing their styles etc. Secondly, I'm not at all convinced that "America took the song to heart" or indeed that it was "totally original".

"For many girls, such expressions of the post-feminist paradox remained locked in a diary."
Um..did they? If this is a quote, please remember to put quotemarks around it - unless you're into making hideously far-reaching generalisations, that is..

"..such blatantly '80s keyboards, effects and retro sounds to the song, which the public hadn't heard since the heyday of new wave."
..Really? So, in fact, we had not heard such synthwork in the works of Skinny Puppy, Nine Inch Nails, Nitzer Ebb, even The Cure? I am well aware that most of the bands I have listed are not in any way New Wave, but I'm not sure you're right in saying that it hadn't been heard since some time in the mid 80s..

"Upon its release in 1995, Just a Girl cut through the stagnant modern rock airwaves and brought a fresh pop sound to the radio. It also delivered an expression of feminine strength rarely realized in rock music."
Mkay..I'm going to deal with the last sentence first. You might want to look at the Janis Joplin, Hippie and Riot Grrl articles. That's all I'm going to say on that matter, other than to quietly boggle at the very idea of attributing the onset of feminine pride/strength in rock music solely to Gwen Stefani. I'm not sure you could call the airwaves at the time "stagnant" either, especially with bands such as Primus, White Zombie, Tool, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden (having the massive hits Spoonman and Black Hole Sun only a year before), Alice In Chains, et al doing wonderful things with the boundaries of rock music.

"An anthem to young women all around the world basically."
Oh really? Factual evidence please? :P

Midwinter 01:31, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

your mean

Followup[edit]

I see you've removed the tags..I'm not going to put them back up, but could a fan of No Doubt please give this article a well-needed rewrite?

Thanks, guys.. Midwinter / ^pirate 03:01, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted most of it so the article can start over from fresh.

Anyone want to re-write it? 6:04, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

'''Jackie from Bishop says I love this song and I hope there willl be more songs like it in the feauture.'''[[


Vocal Range[edit]

The part about her vocal range says it goes from B4 to E6. E6 means that Gwen was able to sing in whistle register (Mariah Carey), which is odd because I've listened to the song so many times and I don't hear it. Can anyone point out exactly when she achieves this?

Genre[edit]

I don't really hear anthing very ska punk-esque about this song. I would define it as [[[pop punk]]. Maybe we should, be there sufficient (nice terminology, if I do say so myself) evidence, change the genre. Just a suggestion. Rosseaulio (talk) 17:50, 19 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moves at 110 bpm?[edit]

This article states that this song moves at a moderately fast tempo of 110 bpm, but the Simple Kind of Life article states that that song has a moderate tempo of 116 bpm. This is somewhat confusing. --76.117.49.229 (talk) 14:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: Cartoon network freak (talk · contribs) 06:15, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lead[edit]

  • It was written by Gwen Stefani and Tom Dumont, produced by Matthew Wilder, and released as the record's lead single in the United States on September 21, 1995 → Better solution: "Released as the record's lead single in the United States on September 21, 1995, it was written by... , while production was handled by..."
Done
  • in 1997. It has also made an appearance on their 2003 → in 1997, and it was also featured on their 2003
These two statements have nothing to do with each other so I'd prefer to leave them alone. Carbrera (talk) 02:12, 3 November 2018 (UTC).[reply]
  • Stefani wrote without the help of her brother → "help" sounds a bit unencyclopedic in this context, so I would replace it with "assistance"
Done
  • reviews from music critics. The feministic lyrics and Stefani's vocals were discussed by reviewers → reviews from music critics, who commended its feministic lyrics and Stefani's vocals
Done
  • Hot 100. It also reached the top 10 → Hot 100, and also reached the top 10 (to avoid short, clipped sentences)
Done – I added a bit more to this sentence as well.
  • The music video → An accompanying music video (to avoid an abrupt introduction to this fact)
Done
  • Mark Kohr. The clip features Stefani → Mark Kohr, featuring Stefani
Done
  • a dirty and unkept restroom → a dirty and unkept one
Done
  • No Doubt, and Stefani individually, has performed → Both No Doubt and Stefani individually have performed
The reason why I worded the sentence as such was because I wanted to placed emphasis that just Stefani performed "Just a Girl" on various occasions. I feel as if it would lose such intentions if I were to change to it to your suggestion. If it is alright with you, I would prefer to leave this as is. Carbrera (talk) 02:12, 3 November 2018 (UTC).[reply]
  • part of the encore in the → part of the encore during the
Done

Infobox[edit]

  • I suggest that you leave out the "B-side" parameter, as different editions of the single with differents other tracks have been released over the years, and it may cause confusion among readers
If alright with you, I'd prefer to leave it. On the main commercial cassette single, the B-side was "Different People", so the rest of the editions are CD singles with bonus tracks or promotional releases. So personally, it makes the most sense to leave this parameter as is as it corresponds with the commercial version of "Just a Girl"

Background and reception[edit]

  • self-titled debut album → eponymous debut album
Done
  • The first song written for the record → I would specify Tragic Kingdom here, as you've already named one other album beforehand
Done
  • to his label and began work on the rest of the songs for Tragic Kingdom → to his label and began working on fellow songs to be featured on Tragic Kingdom
Done
  • pairing for the US release → never shorten United States to US; replace with "American"
Done
  • "Open the Gate", Tragic Kingdom tracks "Different People", → "Open the Gate" and Tragic Kingdom tracks "Different People",
If I change the comma to "and", I repeat "and" again towards the end of the sentence when I list the cover version of "Ob-La-Di-Ob-La-Da"
  • IMAGE > Change "help" to "assistance"
Done

Composition and lyrics[edit]

  • the song takes influence from pop and ska music and sounds "chirpy" to the listener → the song takes influence from pop and ska music, implying a "chirpy" sound
Done
  • She sings in a "smoky alto" → Stefani sings in a "smoky alto" (avoid possible confusion with Lauper)
Done
  • felt Stefani sang with "hyperactive ball of energy" → felt Stefani sang with a "hyperactive ball of energy"
Done
  • The key of the song is in D major with Stefani's → comma before "with"
Done
  • The song progresses in the following chord progressions → Leave out "following"
Done

Critical reception[edit]

Done
  • bounce round [sic] → Unlink here since you've linked it before
Sic is a template used to describe either an error in the original author's writing or faulty grammar and when in usage, it automatically produces a link to the page describing Sic; therefore, when the template is used, I cannot remove the link
  • "Just a Girl" as the song that made No Doubt popular. He also said the song secured Stefani → "Just a Girl" as the song that made No Doubt popular, further saying that it secured Stefani
Done
  • found "Just a Girl" popularizing the ska genre → found "Just a Girl" popularized the ska genre
Done
  • Correct "Just A Girl" to "Just a Girl" in the quote
Done

Chart performance[edit]

  • I would rename the section to "Commercial performance", but that's up to your taste
  • during its twenty-first consecutive week on the chart → during its 21st consecutive week on the chart
Done
  • a total of twenty-nine weeks → a total of 29 weeks
Done
  • but did reach the Top Rock/Alternative Tracks chart → but reached the Top Rock/Alternative Tracks chart
Done
  • the song peaked at number 3 → the song peaked at number three
Done
  • as the 22nd most successful song of the year → as the 22nd most-successful song of the year
Done
  • and departed the chart the week after that → and departed from the chart the week afterwards
Done
  • following "Don't Speak" topping the charts in February of the same year → following "Don't Speak", topping the charts in the February of the same year
Done

Music video[edit]

  • The accompanying video for "Just a Girl" is No Doubt's second music video filmed altogether. → An accompanying music video for "Just a Girl" was produced and acts as their second release
Done
  • Much like the lyrics of "Just a Girl" → Like in the lyrics of "Just a Girl"
Done
  • wrecked sedan and begins singing → wrecked sedan and starts singing
Done
  • before transferring to the backseat of the other car → what does she transfer?
Done
  • and well furnished with flowers → and well-furnished with flowers
Done
  • and play their equipment → and play their instruments
Done
  • Stefani's choice of clothing and makeup in the video was heavily discussed by critics, who pointed out her fashion choices to display her midriff and wear a bindi on her forehead → "heavily discusses" is too much here; rewrite to: Stefani's clothing and makeup in the video was discussed by critics, who pointed out her choice to display her midriff and wear a bindi on her forehead
Done

Live performances[edit]

  • to begin promoting Tragic Kingdom → to begin the promotion of Tragic Kingdom
Done
  • Prior to the performance, Stefani promised her mother that she would not curse while singing; however, Stefani did and as a consequence, her mother refused to speak to her for a week → please remove this as it is completely irrelevant for the article
I am afraid I beg to differ with you on this matter CNF; Stefani specifically swore during this song and Stefani received consequences as a result. I could see it sounding irrelevant if it was regarding a performance other than "Just a Girl", but it is specific and remains singular to just this article. Since an article regarding just one public performance would not be notable on Wikipedia, this bit of information would not be included anywhere else. The reader may find this interesting. Carbrera (talk) 02:26, 3 November 2018 (UTC).[reply]
  • as the seventh song of their 1995–97 → as the seventh song during their 1995–97
Done
  • in between singing "Simple Kind of Life" and "Hey Baby" → following "Simple Kind of Life" and preceding "Hey Baby"
Done
  • were recorded and featured on the group's second live album → was recorded and featured on the group's second live album
Done
  • Release years for "Truth" and "The Sweet Escape" in brackets
Done
  • Before singing, Stefani said: "You don't know what it's like to wear a cowgirl costume in front of Blake Shelton right there. It's my fantasy come true." → this is so irrelevant and should be left out of the article
Done

Cover versions and other usage[edit]

  • as the seventh song of her 14 track set list → as the seventh song of her 14-track setlist
Done
  • Release year of "Smells Like Teen Spirit", "Just like a Pill" and "Who Knew" in brackets
Done

Other stuff[edit]

References[edit]

  • As far as I checked them, the references do cover the assertations made in this article

Copy-violation[edit]

  • 52.8% is quite high, but since you used a quotes of Stefani, this should be fine.

Outcome[edit]

  •  On hold — Very good-looking article that only needs some minor fixes to be a GA. I'm putting this on hold for 7 days to allow edits. Best regards; Cartoon network freak (talk) 17:46, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Seeing as there has not been progress here, I'd like to let you know I'm interested in saving it, but I'll be fairly busy until Tuesday so I won't be able to do anything. I just didn't want this to fail before that day came. dannymusiceditor oops 16:22, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@DannyMusicEditor: Don't worry, I'll let it open until you get to it. Regards! Cartoon network freak (talk) 17:21, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Carbrera: Note that more than one week's gone now. Cartoon network freak (talk) 23:31, 2 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
((u|Cartoon network freak}} – I have tweaked the article accordingly and also left some comments above. Thank you for your patience, Carbrera (talk) 02:28, 3 November 2018 (UTC).[reply]
@Carbrera: After I've made some further tweaks, I believe the article is ready for promotion, as it is well-written and well-sourced. Congratulations! Just in case you have time, would you mind reviewing one of my GANs? I have many of them and I'm waiting for months now. Thank you and best regards; Cartoon network freak (talk) 09:28, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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