Talk:Justified & Ancient

Justified & Ancient was one of the Music good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
May 1, 2006	Good article nominee	Listed
November 14, 2009	Good article reassessment	Delisted

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on April 4, 2006.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that the song Justified and Ancient, by The KLF (and their alias The JAMs), featured regularly in their work from 1987 to 1991, and was a statement of rebellion inspired by characters from The Illuminatus! Trilogy novels?

Current status: Delisted good article

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Possible source

Apparently, Bill Drummond wrote a piece for The Guardian on April 9th 1998, shortly after Tammy Wynette's passing. I gather it goes into some detail about the recording and may be useful. I've been unable to find it online so it might need access to a premium database or (gasp!) a library.

In the meantime I've added a reference to a BBC interview with Bill (audio), with a mention of him flying out to record her vocals. There is an interesting anecdote therein about Bill and Jimmy in the studio, where Jimmy casually remarks that the song "needs Tammy Wynette" and 20 minutes later Bill is on the phone to her (which ties in with the lyrics "they called me up in Tennessee") but I didn't quote/transcribe it (yet). --kingboyk (talk) 19:58, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bill also tells the story in Drummond, Bill (18 November 2014). "Bill Drummond: the five lessons I learned from Ken Campbell". The Guardian. Retrieved 23 March 2020. (Lesson two). It's really quite a fascinating story about the power of the telephone and how the JAMs really did just "call [Tammy] up" and arrange for her to appear, on the spur of the moment. --kingboyk (talk) 02:34, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"The Ice Cream Men"

There's a "demo mix" of J&A on the bootleg Arkive Volume 1. Besides Cauty's electric guitar, bass guitar and drums featuring much higher (probably because the mix is relatively sparse, it's a demo after all) there are some additional lyrics at the end which tend to support the assertion that the working title of the single was "The Ice Cream Men": "Ice cream men, are you coming back some day? Ice cream men, will you come back to stay? Ice cream men..." Probably not worth mentioning in the article unless it comes up in one of the books I've purchased, but I found it interesting. --kingboyk (talk) 08:26, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]