Talk:Ke Huy Quan/Archive 1

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Anxiety (Get Nervous)

Isn't he also the kid waiting to see the dentist at the end of the music video for Pat Benatar's "Anxiety (Get Nervous)" ?76.113.104.58 (talk) 04:43, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 12 April 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Colin M (talk) 15:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Jonathan Ke Quan → Ke Huy Quan – Based on recent interviews and crediting, he seems to wish to resume using his birth name as what he's commonly known as. 67.173.23.66 (talk) 00:37, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

  • Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:21, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. Clearly his desired name. --Cerebral726 (talk) 18:41, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Support Not a hard call. This was even the name he was credited as in Temple of Doom, probably his most famous role. Nohomersryan (talk) 01:13, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Quick Support He’s credited under his birth name in Quan’s most recent films, “Finding ‘Ohana” and “Everything Everywhere All at Once”. Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 04:20, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Strong support speedy move It's both the common name and his legal name. Easy call here. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 15:54, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Support per norm Blumenblatt (talk) 09:22, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

EEAAO lead

@User:Krimuk2.0 I don't think calling Waymond naïve is accurate or a common opinion which is why I think it's not suitable for lead. He says that Evelyn sees him that way but it's how he survives, and she learns to fight like him - I think the film is unreservedly on his side 88.111.95.74 (talk) 19:02, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Languages Spoken

I've not seen any primary sources for Quan speaking Vietnamese, and from this interview it sounds like he did not grow up speaking Vietnamese at home. 2603:8001:A401:DBE5:7539:CDCD:E282:CCAD (talk) 22:47, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Wife's name

Is his wife's real first name Corinna? What is her maiden name? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 00:34, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Offensive Google summary on DuckDuckGo

This is something I don’t see on the page specifically, but the current Google summary when using duckduckgo mobile browser contains several incorrect facts and racist terminology. I don’t know how to edit that, but please look into it. 2601:14D:8700:7D50:EC28:EA8:8B6F:4541 (talk) 17:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Not first Asian to academy award for best supporting actor

"Quan is one of two actors of Asian descent to win an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor, the other being Haing S. Ngor in 1985. Quan also became the first Vietnam-born actor in history to win an Oscar. With his win at the 2023 Screen Actors' Guild Awards, he became the first Asian man to win in the category of supporting actor for film."

Isn't the last sentence canceled out by the the first one? Or has the category been changed since then so that they are not technically the same? Haing S. Ngor was an Asian men himself, so Quan should be the second. 安東雷 (talk) 00:31, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

The second sentence is about SAG awards. Ngor won an Oscar, not a SAG award. So Quan is the second Asian man to win the supporting actor Oscar AND the first to win the SAG award for that category.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 01:39, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Info added to Film graphic.

Since the article states in two places that Mr Quan also won a "Golden Globe" award for his film, Everything Everywhere All at Once, I added that info to that box. This my first time editing a graphic - fingers crossed and teeth clenched that it still functions. Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 03:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

RFC on Nationality in the lead

There have been a lot of edit warring with the nationality in the lead. Should be listed as just American, Vietnamese-American, Vietnamese-born American, or some other option? The relevant facts are: He was born in (South) Vietnam in 1971, in 1979 he resettled with his family in America as refugees. He has lived in America ever since (though he has worked on several Hong Kong films in production roles). See MOS:ETHNICITY for the relevant policy. I personally have no strong opinion, and just want to end the edit warring with a clear consensus one way or the other. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 16:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

  • WP:ETHNICITY maintains to not state a person's ethnicity/race in the lead paragraph unless it is relevant and significant to the person being discussed. Referring to Quan as "Vietnamese American" would be conflict with that as his Vietnamese ethnicity did not have any significance to his acting career (his profession/significance). However, prior to the dissolution of the Republic of Vietnam (South Vietnam), he was a South Vietnamese national by birth and stating his nationality is not in conflict with the aforementioned guideline.
e.g. "Ke Huy Quan is a South Vietnamese-born American actor" Mechanical Keyboarder (talk) 21:09, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Just American. He grew up in the US and holds only American citizenship. Let's do the same as what we've already done to the articles of Sergey Brin and Mila Kunis, etc. Thedarkknightli (talk) 22:01, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
  • American, unless a reliable source states he is still a Vietnamese citizen. Would support Vietnamese-born American alternatively. Coconutyou3 (talk) 09:33, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
  • American, he is American and has never been a citizen of anywhere else, and was American when he became notable. It could be argued that his ethnicity is notable to his casting possibilities, so Vietnamese-born American, would be second choice. The early life tells his back-story clearly. Pincrete (talk) 11:49, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
  • American - his previous nationality by birth does not exist anymore. Morbidthoughts (talk) 02:52, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Vietnamese American, at some point he didn't hold American citizenship, and I don't see any sources or references that he's renounced or given up his previous nationality.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:33, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
His previous nationality (South Vietnam) no longer exists. Morbidthoughts (talk) 07:45, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
It's just rolled over to Vietnamese, and either way you can use the demonym "Vietnamese" for either country. Ortizesp (talk) 21:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
The Soviet Union no longer exists but persons born during and have died during the Soviet era are still referred to as Soviets. Mechanical Keyboarder (talk) 09:59, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Vietnamese-American - I think it is relevant to his notability within the field that he is an Asian actor (given his hiatus from acting was largely due to a lack of Asian characters in scripts circulating at the time), so it can and perhaps should be mentioned in the lead sentence as per MOS:ETHNICITY. Accordingly, the option of "American" would be, in my opinion, a bit lackluster. His ethnicity is what is relevant, and so, I would suggest "Vietnamese-American" as the most appropriate option. "Vietnamese-born American", at least in my intuition, implies that he was Vietnamese, then became American. I think Vietnamese-American just suits this situation best. Hope this helps! Actualcpscm (talk) 22:05, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
    You cannot refer to him as being Vietnamese because that would conflict with WP:ETHNICITY; unless he is a national of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam he is just American due to his current status. Mechanical Keyboarder (talk) 09:54, 30 March 2023 (UTC)
  •  Comment: There is currently a controversy in Vietnam whether he was "Vietnamese" or not, given his Hoa ethnicity. DHN (talk) 23:38, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Vietnamese-born American - Because Quan's non-whiteness is so very relevant to the course of his career, in ways that have not impacted other former refugee actors that are perceived as white, just "American" is a kind of whitewashing I find personally unpalatable. His non-white "nationality" did not "disappear" when he was naturalized/gained American citizenship, far from it.
Further, "Vietnamese-American" seems more generally used for American-born citizens of Vietnamese descent (2nd+ generation) as used in "Asian-American" or other "other-American" constructs, which is also not an accurate way to describe his early life.
"Vietnamese-born American" seems the best way to describe someone born in Vietnam (the place) but now an American "citizen." His Hoa ancestry/ethnicity should be further elaborated elsewhere in the lead so that readers don't assume Quan is of "Vietnamese ancestry/ethnicity" simply because he was born in Vietnam. Thus, perhaps the lead should say "Vietnamese-born American of Hoa descent"... Just my humble opinion, as one of those "other-Americans." — LumonRedacts 15:05, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
  • American per MOS:NATIONALITY. He moved to the US as a child and became famous in the United States. He doesn't have citizenship in Vietnam. - Nemov (talk) 18:02, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Vietnamese-born American as he wasn't born in the US, even when growing up there, and using "Vietnamese American" without a hyphen would give a false impression that he ethnically is Vietnamese (the guy actually has Chinese ancestry). At the same time, the hyphenated term "Vietnamese-American" is also misleading for someone who isn't a hyphenated American (somebody with citizenship in America and another place they were born). Given what LumonRedacts says about Quan's heritage playing a part in his career, I feel this has enough relevance to include in the first sentence. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 15:40, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
    • Just a note. Per MOS:NATIONALITY we should avoid "born" in the lead sentence. Similarly, neither previous nationalities nor the country of birth should be mentioned in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability. Nemov (talk) 04:25, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
  • That says "unless relevant to the subject's notability", and as far as I can tell, this IS relevant for him. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 04:50, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
    How is his birthplace relevant to him being a famous actor? That exception means his place of birth could be mentioned further in the body of th lead, but it's not something that should ever be mentioned in the first sentence of the lead. Nemov (talk) 13:39, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
  • American, he came to the US as a young child and nearly his entire career is American. ---Lilach5 (לילך5) discuss 20:04, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
  • American. Later parts of the lead should and do mention how his recent acting awards are firsts/seconds for his ethnicity and national origin. Probably, the body could add some detail on the ways his ethnicity played a part in his hiatus from acting, and an expanded lead could reasonably include a summary of that content. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:41, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
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