Talk:Khalq

Suspension of laws

I quote from the current text: "They suspended all laws except those on civil matters. Another exception was the criminal law of the Daoud period, retained as a repressive instrument"

So, neither civil nor criminal law was suspended. That rather begs the question, what exactly was suspended? Also, criminal law is always a repressive instrument. Why pointing this out especially? Can someone please explain, or I will have to edit this paragraph. Adam —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.195.193 (talk) 17:11, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Fahim

Is there any evidence, that Fahim was a Khalqi? From what I know, this is just a rumour (like the one that he was member of the communist government's secret service KHAD) which is a case of mistaken identity. There IS was a 'Fahim' who was member of the party, but from people in Afghanistan I have talked to, I was told, that that was someone else (someone from the Kabul area I think and not the Panjsher area). Nowhere in the net was I able to find any evidence to support this rumour. haroon 17:51, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunatelly, there is not much information or difference between the Fahim. Until more information is discovered, I would say that we should leave the info as stated. Messhermit 18:10, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I am not a fan of Fahim, but I think that publishing a rumour without even mentioning that it is a unproven rumour is still not fair. Shouldn't there be at least a note about this in the entry? haroon 12:19, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

If you can prove the existence of the other Fahim, then there is no problem. Messhermit 14:48, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

I can only tell you that former Khalq members say, that he wasnt a member. The type of evidence for is as difficult to find as the type of evidence against the statement. Generally it is bad practice I think to make statements like this about people and then challenge others to falsify them. Following this principle I could say, that Pres. Najibullah was gay and ask you for prove the opposite (having a wife doesn't of course count, cause many gay people have a wife to hide their homosexuality). haroon 14:05, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Again, if you don't have anything important to say, please restrain yourself from editing. Also, the example that you provide is really lame, specially if you are talking about President Najibullah. By your arguments in these and other Afghan related pages, I would say that you lack total respect for the Soviet-Era Afghan Government and admiration for the barbaric Warlords (like Massoud) that destroyed the country. Messhermit 14:43, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

As you can see, I haven't edited anything, because I am not like those vandals who remove things just because they don't like it. Instead I posted my message here to see if you actually have anything to back up your point. I used the 'lame' example with Najib (which is in my opinion as lame as you just saying something without any evidence) to show, that it is not the right way to just post something that you cannot be sure of. Because I do not have the clear evidence, I haven't edited the entry, but I think since you don't have any clear evidence either the least you can do is to accept, that one should add some sort of comment, that Fahim's membership in the party is not verified. Oh and you are right, I do not respect those Commies in Afghanistan as much as you seem to generally respect communists. I have lost enough friends and relatives in Afghanistan to know the difference between the Khalqi/Parchami talk and action. Having said that, I do know and acknowledge, that they of course also did bring about some positive changes in Afghanistan. And finally, I am also aware that probably the big majority of the Mujaheddin were only ruthless power and money hungry fighters, too. But it all doesn't change the principle that you should not pretend that rumours are facts. haroon 20:58, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

The most important things in these discussion:

• You are not providing any sources. in that sence, you are in the same position of only using rumors
• You already have a negative opinion about this period of Afghan History (Commies is POV). My respect comes from the fact that the Soviet Army left a fully functional country, with a well stablished Police Force and Army capable of defending Afghanistan from the Terrorist (AKA Mujaheddin) well supported by the US just to kill russians, not freedom. President Najibullah was a man willing to compromise for the sake of the Afghans. Unfortunatelly, the Mujaheddin won, and with them, started another period of darkness in the Afghan History.
• Again, if you find information about the other Fahim, fell free to post about it. Messhermit 21:13, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations, you have noticed, that I have a negative opinion about the Afghan communists, so? I am not writing an article about them, I am just asking a normal question: "How do you know that Fahim was a Khalqi? Where is your source?". Let me quote you something from the Wikipedia guidelines:

' It's always appropriate to ask other editors, "How do you know that?", or "Can you cite your source?" If they didn't have a particular source in mind when they wrote the material originally, someone will have to find a credible source. The burden of evidence lies with the editor who has made the edit in question. ' [[1]]

I think you mistake our roles here, YOU are the one with the burden of evidence, because YOU have made the edit. I haven't edited anything there yet.I'd be glad to bring this issue to any Wikipedia admin and let them decide, whether your listing is against the guidelines or not. haroon 16:49, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Nice attemp to trow the problem to me. You don't have any sources, so I think that this discussion is going nowhere. Messhermit 20:51, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

I hadn't checked back if you had removed the entry already or not, I assumed that you hadn't, my fault. Since you have taken it out, there is no further discussion necessary as you say, and if I find credible evidence for or against his membership in the party we can talk again. haroon 16:14, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I am a regular user of Wikipedia and have always thought that the articles posted were well researched and scrupulously factual; indeed, Professors at my university are happy for students like myself to reference the articles in our papers. Reading the posts of Messhermit would have made me laugh, were it not so serious....... he gives his opinion as fact - directly contravening the rules of Wikipedia, which work only if all contributors are honest and well intentioned. This should be investigated by Wikipedia, for the sake of all users of the site. Well done to Haroon for his/her discussion. Beckynorman1000 01:39, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! too bad that you believe that Haroon has as good sources as you claim. Another IP user asking for sources, when they also lacks them. There is no POV here, and that is the main objective of Wiki. Messhermit 02:10, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

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