Talk:Khaybar Khaybar ya yahud

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This is incorrect. "The slogan was coined in the late 1980s during the First Intifada by Ahmed Yassin, founder of the militant Palestinian Islamist organization Hamas."

Here's a video of Egyptian Islamic Jihad using the slogan in the early 1980s. At the very end of the video (8:36-8:41)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY3nM9I19c4 Optimusmx (talk) 03:26, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:13, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Slaughtered the Jews of the Khaybar oasis"[edit]

In the sentence of the lead which reads "The chant refers to the seventh-century Battle of Khaybar in which Muslims led by Muhammad slaughtered the Jews of the Khaybar oasis, in present-day Saudi Arabia." the bolded wording should not be used.

The Jews of Khaybar were not slaughtered. The source provided, the ADL (which is not a great source for information regarding a 7th century battle), phrases it that way but the Wikipedia page for the Battle of Khaybar does not and I doubt many reliable sources about the battle would do so as there was no massacre or anything like that.

It would be better phrased as "The chant refers to the seventh-century Battle of Khaybar between the Muslims led by Muhammad and the Jews of the Khaybar oasis."

IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 04:03, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:40, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@TheDoodbly: Historiography does not frame the battle as an "attack" but as a confrontation. Care elaborating on your edit? [1] Makeandtoss (talk) 14:14, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to be that picky about the wording, I can detail it a bit more, but I don't exactly see what was so controversial about it. A battle begins with an attack; I highly doubt that Muhammad's army marched on Khaybar to just stand there and do nothing at all. In the context of this chant, in particular (which is what this article is about), that's the whole point. Just in case (for anyone else reading this): I'm not the one who made the "slaughtered" edit, nor did I agree with it. TheDoodbly (talk) 23:25, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As you said, a battle begins with an attack; but a battle is not just an attack, as the previous version portrayed. I agree with your latest edit and will just separate the two paragraphs. Makeandtoss (talk) 15:27, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]