Talk:King Kaufman

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"I have to say, the Wikipedia article is a pretty good little thumbnail sketch of me. It's not the one I would have written, but then, an autobiographical thumbnail sketch is no more reliably accurate than one written by others, and probably less so. " King Kaufman, Salon.com, Aug. 11, 2006

Article for deletion[edit]

If anyone has only commented on this page, you should go over and add your vote to the actual AFD page for this article. BukkWylde 18:50, 18 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Non-notable?[edit]

I find it highly unlikely that the page was written by Mr Kaufman, given the fact that in his August 10, 2006 column he makes a joke that he is surprised that he has an entry. Aszekely 16:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notable

I read King's column daily, which I consider the best sports column in the country.

Wiki currently considers Rob Neyer notable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Neyer) and I think this is a good comparison. Both are young, prolific sports writers who distinguish themselves from the previous generations of sportswriters by relying on things we like to call "facts."

King is THE sports voice of Salon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salon.com).Treyalsup 16:32, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notable. Salon.com is notable, and Kaufman is their only sportswriter. He has a daily column which is prominently displayed on the site. I read it daily. I also dispute that it is autobiographical; his mention of the article in today's column clearly indicates otherwise, and he seems amused at its existence and its brevity. -- Coneslayer 16:38, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There's sufficient consensus, IMO, to remove the non-notable concern. I already removed the autobiographical / vanity-page tag, as King Kaufman, as noted above, expressed surprise at his entry. Smileyy 16:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for removing the deletion tag, Cobaltbluetony! -- Coneslayer 16:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notable. Agreed. Isoxyl 17:07, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notable. I also agree. gohlkus 18:22, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted the Smokejumpers reference as irrelevant. Smileyy 16:52, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of notable people have less-than-notable facts in their articles. As long as it's verifiable, it's potential material. - CobaltBlueTony 17:02, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I'll take that. I'd like it better if there weren't such a large relevance gap between that paragraph and others. IMO, it stands out awkwardly because of that. Smileyy 16:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Non-notable. I do not think two or three people was a consensus. This has not been AfD'ed, it was only prod-ed. Probably most people here came in through his column (I did), since he mentioned it there—and now devoted another entire column to the entry. I should mention that I am a Salon Premium subscriber, but I don't think having one column in an online magazine, even one as high-profile as Salon, makes someone innately "notable." Perhaps I am biased because his column bores me and I rarely even glance at it. Just because he is the sports columnist for Salon doesn't make him some sort of authority, Salon is not a sports magazine and the column seems to be a "cover-the-bases" afterthought. AfD. NTK 14:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notable. It took me a while to find the notablity guidelines, so I'm adding the link here in case anyone wants to peruse them. I tend to feel that anyone who regularly appears in the media (online included) is notable enough. Regards, Rodney Boyd 15:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notable. Kaufman is fairly well-known and widely read in sports circles. BukkWylde 22:06, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notable. If this page is the bar for relevance, Wikipedia will be deleting a lot of pages. Smileyy 16:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notable. While he may not be a fixture in traditional print media, he is not an uncommon name to see bandied about and linked to in online sports discussions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.236.129.4 (talk • contribs)

Image[edit]

I'm not sure the Salon caricature image is appropriate for Wikipedia. It seems to me we need a photo. Thoughts? Isoxyl 14:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Google Image Search indicates that there aren't many bio / book-jacket style photos of King Kaufman. For the moment, the Salon caricature seems most definitive. Smileyy 16:53, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

True. Perhaps King, who we know has read this discussion page based on 11 Aug article, will provide us with a public domain or licensed image for this purpose! Or maybe someone else with some sleuthing skills (other Salon contributors/editors?) will provide us with another. Contributions to the Wikimedia are appreciated! Isoxyl 17:00, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've marked it for deletion. It's tagged screenshot and it's tagged fair use, and I don't think it meets either requirement. (See here for my rationale) I agree: why not just have King GFDL a personal photo and submit it, if he truly cares about Wikipedia. j/k lol. --Dwiki 21:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]