Talk:Kingcome, British Columbia

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Flood event

Not sure how to fit this in without treating it as news; and Kingcome has a longer history in the fur trade / navigation histories and also inter-tribal history; but on Sept 25, 2010 massive flooding hit the community; if this were in a larger or more visible community like LA at present, or the storm surges in Maritime Canada these last few days, there would be a Wiki article; it may be part of a larger event, I'll look around; this was in the Dec 24 or 25 Vancouver Province concerning the connumnity's recovery ( news item on Kingcome still getting over Sept 25/10 flooding).Skookum1 (talk) 05:22, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kingcome vs Kingcome Inlet

Most common usage seems to be Kingcome Inlet; there's no BCGNIS here so I'll check that anyway, as there must be Indian Reserves at this location (which will become redirects to this page). I've always heard of it as Kingcome Inlet, but maybe the official locality name (which is not necessarily locally correct) is just Kingcome, hence the title here. I'll suggest a reqmove at some point after sourcing BCGNIS and CGNDB and whatever older history I can find; like all coastal places in BC, there's a lot more history to be added than the stubs most of them are right now. Hint hint hint. Online sources might be hard for a place like this, though Walbran and various other coastal journals/manuals/cyclopedias are around, each with different bit of history to potentially add. The etymology of Kingcome I'm not sure about; it could be English/Scottish, or an anglicization of a Kwak'wala term/name; maybe there was an HMS Kingcome though....Skookum1 (talk) 05:22, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that's very interesting....there are two "locality" entries; Kingcome and Kingcome Inlet, with a difference of one minute of latitude and longitude, each; Kingcome is slightly northeast of Kingcome Inlet; maybe there were two villages, but now referred to as one place....and there are no IRs, which is strange, because this has been a native village for aeons. Not sure why that is; I'll look up the Tsawataineuk govt page and see where that might get me, further link-wise. I guess debate now is subject to which is the most common usage, to refer to the whole though both sublocalities should be mentioned;with one redirected to whichever becomes the title...Skookum1 (talk) 05:30, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So what to do with the title; have two different location articles, or title this with "Kingcome and Kingcome Inlet", without hte British Columbia because of the uniqueness of the placenames. with a lede saying:

"Kingcome and Kingcome Inlet are two unincorporated, non-reserve First Nations communities of the Tsawateaineuk people of the Kwakwaka'wawk. [Commonly referred to as Kingcome Inlet - if that's true/citable], they are located at the head of Kingcome Inlet, which is the mouth of the Kingcome River. The community of Kingcome Inlet [which is the ancient traditional village-site of the Tsawataineuk is located at the mouth of the river, on the inlet-shore. Kingcome is a degree of latitude and of longitude upstream on the other side of the river, and was the site in former times of a larger cannery."

...or put the bit about the more common collective name at the end, if that really is the case (they may yet be two distinct communities, I'll try and find out). Big question is - can you have two places in one location-article title?? ie. if by now they're a "merged community", with only one functional placename; maybe they refer to each other by those names, could be...in the Lillooet Country, saying "you live over in Seton?" or "I gotta go back to Seton today" can mean both Seton Portage and/or Shalath and/or environs. Not citable, granted; could be two separate articles are required; see next section:Skookum1 (talk) 06:23, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Map req (2)

This BC Basemap link will only last 90 days; search Kingcome Inlet on [http://apps.gov.bc.ca/pub/idt/ BC Basemap and set scale to 300,000 to get same frame; use "Tools" to add countours, remove grid etc. An adaptation of this map will help explain the two locations better; from what I gather, and remember from the List of canneries in British Columbia page, Kingcome was the cannery, must be that Kingcome Inlet is the harbour/traditional village. This is remote country, a second map showing the inlet's relationship to the rest of the Central Coast - it's in the maze of inlets north from the Broughton Archipelago. Spectacular area, pictures would be real nice. The BC Basemap maps are Crown Copyright so cannot be used directly; a googlemap/satmap may be more illustrative, especially on the larger scale map (or I suppose the technical term is the smalelr scale map; the regional one, vs the local). I tried to go to the cited Tsawataineuk Nation hompage but it's either dead or been hacked or someone bought the domain name, and the band has another website now; I'll look into it.Skookum1 (talk) 06:10, 25 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]