Talk:Kinsale cloak

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The following discussion is closed and will soon be archived.

While the article is otherwise largely grand, in a few places there are examples of inherently subjective terms - like "graceful" or "well made". While only a few examples now remain, where we use these terms (per WP:NPOV and WP:WikiVoice in particular), we should ensure that such terms are not "stated in Wikipedia's voice [..but instead..] they should be attributed in the text to particular sources". So, if someone described the cloaks as "graceful" for example, it should be clear whose opinion this was, and it should be very clear that it is a quote. For example, "person Y describes the cloaks as 'Q'". If we can't attribute opinions or subjective terms like this, we should just avoid using them. Guliolopez (talk) 23:54, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is now largely addressed. Closing thread. Guliolopez (talk) 10:28, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can we please keep the bit about Spenser as a 'minion' of Elizabeth I? If not, homocidal ****** ******* would do fine. Fergananim (talk) 17:53, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Fergananim: minion is an amusing term but doesn't sound terribly encyclopedic (WP:NPOV comes into play unless we provide a reference specifically stating that he was a minion). Spenser is recognized the most for his poetry contributions and not for his deeds in the name of Elizabeth. I'm editing the article with this wording. Please let me know if you have any thoughts. Icebob99 (talk) 22:53, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]