Talk:Kowaliga, Alabama

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Commons[edit]

Wikipedia Commons has several documents related to the community as wepl as the waterways and bridges related to it. See here. FloridaArmy (talk) 00:44, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Benson, Tallapoosa County, Alabama[edit]

Was this the same town as Kowaliga, Alabama? It is named after John Jackson Benson and was an African American community with an industrial school, but is located in a different county. I know Lake Martin crosses multiple county lines, so this needs clarification. PigeonChickenFish (talk) 03:31, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This citation (and image carousel) confirms they were the same place.^[1] And this one shows that the city had a history of switched counties.^[2]

References

^ Hedreen, Siri (April 28, 2021). "Timeline: The rise and fall of Benson". Alexander City Outlook. Retrieved 2023-03-06.
^ "Col. Thomas Willams". The Macon Mail. 1878-09-04. p. 2. Retrieved 2023-03-06.

Kailaidshi[edit]

I read in this source (pg. 822)^[1] the Kailaidshi, located near Big Kowaliga and Little Kowaliga, was a neighboring Muscogee tribal (also known as "Creek") community before the Creek War of 1813–1814. I am adding a note here because I am struggling to understand the Muscogee peoples relationship specifically to Kowaliga, unclear if it was populated by the Muscogee or just referenced area? PigeonChickenFish (talk) 21:59, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Owen, Thomas McAdory (1921). History of Alabama and Dictionary of Alabama Biography. S. J. Clarke publishing Company. pp. 822, 828.

Dixie Industrial Co. vs. Benson[edit]

In case anyone wants to work further on this article, the section about Dixie Industrial Co. vs. Benson could be expanded with more details. There are many articles in newspapers.com and mentions via Google Books PigeonChickenFish (talk) 07:27, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Name and legacy[edit]

@PigeonChickenFish: I see now that you've included sources which draw a direct link between the historic village and the Hank Williams song (namely, the Alabama Curiosities book). That said, I'm not seeing how the given source for the restaurant mention establishes a connection between that restaurant name and the historic community. -Indy beetle (talk) 08:41, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Indy beetle hello, the connection is that it all exists in the same location and have the same name, which is based on a shared history. The restaurant is on the same land as the once part of the Kowaliga, Alabama community, and once the Benson Plantation (however after the war the buildings were moved), and was once part of the earlier Creek tribal land. And as per the WP article, the African American community was large and spanned more than 3000 acres at one point (and I believe I also read grew larger in size by the 1910s). The same is true about the Kowaliga Creek, Kowaliga Cove, Kowaliga dock, etc. everything is in the same territory.

That being said I am fine with removing the part of the local restaurant though, as it is not particularly of note. The restaurant and the Hank Williams mention had originated from another editor, and some of those sources did too. PigeonChickenFish (talk) 09:03, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see. I'm of the mind that "the connection is that it all exists in the same location and have the same name, which is based on a shared history" doesn't mean much unless RS demonstrate that connection directly, since otherwise it is essentially WP:SYNTH (and the restaurant itself seems rather trivial anyway). No objection of course to re-adding that if a source notes the connection between the restaurant and the community. -Indy beetle (talk) 09:26, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The citations do connect the restaurant to the song and to the place (not explicitly the African American place, but the earlier). That being said, I removed the sentence in question. PigeonChickenFish (talk) 22:36, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Hedreen, Siri (April 28, 2021). "Timeline: The rise and fall of Benson". Alexander City Outlook. Retrieved 2023-03-06.

[2] "Col. Thomas Willams". The Macon Mail. 1878-09-04. p. 2. Retrieved 2023-03-06.

[3] Owen, Thomas McAdory (1921). History of Alabama and Dictionary of Alabama Biography. S. J. Clarke publishing Company. pp. 822, 828.

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