Talk:La Belle Epoque (barge)

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Difference of opinion on La Belle Epoque (Copied from User_talk:Softlavender)[edit]

I see that we have a difference of opinion on the redirect of La Belle Epoque to Belle Époque. By placing the redirect to this site, a user will not have the opportunity to find the La Belle Epoque (barge). I think the redirect should go to the disambiguation page, Belle Epoque. How do we work out this difference? I'll return here for discussion. thanks GloverEpp (talk) 15:58, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Third opinion: I agree that La Belle Epoque should redirect to Belle Epoque. Better to go to the disambiguation page in this case, I think. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 17:55, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

La Belle Epoque (Copied from User_talk:Gloverepp)[edit]

Wikipedia guidelines are that a name or phrase should be a direct link to the original and most common usage of the name or phrase. Since La Belle Epoque nearly always refers to the historical time period, that's where the direct link must go (accent or no accent, as with other words and names with diacritical marks), according to Wikipedia guidelines. The disambiguation link is at the top of the main artticle, just as it is for every article that has usages named after it. There are literally thousands of businesses, hotels, galleries, groups, books, films, etc., named after La Belle Epoque. They must all go on the disambiguation page, rather than be a direct link. Hope that's clear. Softlavender (talk) 05:42, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An example[edit]

The following example shows in favour of gloverepp's point of view. If you were to want to view a page on the cruise ship the Queen Mary you would search for Queen Mary. This would take you to a diambiguation page where you could then pick the ship you were searching for. If softlavender stated guidelines are correct should this search not take you to the page about the monarch Queen Mary I of England as this is the original and most common usage of the name, with a link to the disambiguation page at the top of the main page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oliver Barge (talk • contribs) 15:14, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is no hard-set rule. If a term has many common uses, such as Queen Mary, it goes directly to the disambiguation page. If a term only has a few common uses, such as Java, the term goes directly to the primary article with a specialized disambiguation link at the top of the article. Notice, the link at the top of Java does not simply say "For other uses". It says "For the software platform". There is no reason that this article cannot have a similar disambiguation link since there appears to only be two primary uses for the term. -- kainaw ™ 15:29, 27 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect discussion[edit]

Alright, I want to discuss the redirect here. In their revert, Softlavender wrote that "This is simply Belle Époque without accent, which most users cannot type". While that's true to a point, there's no real reason what makes this page any more important than the other Belle Epoque articles. Really this page should redirect to La Belle Epoque (barge) since people may be searching for the name of the barge.

While I still prefer the original solution of redirecting to Belle Epoque, I'm willing to compromise. I therefore propose the following: we turn this page - La Belle Epoque - into a disambiguation page, and list Belle Époque, La Belle Epoque (barge) and Belle Epoque on there. Thoughts? — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 15:21, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine by me. GloverEpp (talk) 15:31, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was my hope that we would come to the conclusion that a search for the barge would lead to a disambiguation page as I feel that most of the time this is the standard way for wikipedia to work and is the most user friendly approach for non wiki account holders trying to find a specific page. I therefore agree with HelloAnnyong's compromise and look forward to it taking effect. Oliver Barge (talk) 16:14, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, great. I think three users in agreement is a sign of consensus, so I'll go ahead and do it. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 16:20, 28 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]