Talk:Last Man Standing (American TV series)/Archive 1

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ages

Relative age of actresses isn't particularly relevant to anything, and doesn't belong in article. Actor/characters ages being swapped isnt ew: "Oldest sister" Jessica Biel in 7th Heaven is actually younger than Beverly Mitchell; who cares?Nobody Ent —Preceding undated comment added 20:32, 14 January 2012 (UTC).

Thank You! My point exactly, AmblinX can't seem to understand that. QuasyBoy 21:39, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

For this peace of pretty interesting information to everyone coming to this article, that could be mentioned in just a few words, every user is supposed to

click on every actor, search for the age of the actors, compare them (with the character age) and get to this info.

Just to save 5 or 6 words?
This age constellation doesn't happen very often at all. In fact there is no such constellation in any sitcom of the last 20 years. :: AmblinX  22:07, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

If it happens as rarely as AmblinX alleges, I would think we could find a reliable source that notes not only the age difference but also that it happens so infrequently. That would allow to verify that it's a rare occurrence; it wouldn't guarantee that consensus would form to allow it in the article, but it would be a something to support that position. —C.Fred (talk) 22:13, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

This article is about the show, not the actors and actresses. Casting a younger actor in an older role happens often. It is WP:FANCRUFT to include this information in the "Main Cast" section. If it has to be there, it could be mentioned in the "Development and production" section, because once the show is cast, the roles won't be changed. Acps110 ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:44, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Well that's pretty easy, everone can look at the ages of all the actors of sitcoms in last 20 years, their role is also available publicly. There is not 1 sitcom where an actor is years younger as a co-star but plays an older relative in the show - except for "Last Man Standing". If that is not relevant, then I wonder what is relevant? AmblinX  22:21, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

So, you're saying that we can only find this information out through original research, then? —C.Fred (talk) 22:23, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

LA Times reviewer didn't think it notable enough to mention [1]Nobody Ent 22:28, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, I did the research, how else would you find that information, if not by research. I couldn't even find 1 sitcom where that was the case (ever).  AmblinX  22:31, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

You would find it noted in a source. Nobody Ent 22:39, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Nobody has done the research (except me), their not even aware of her age, that's the whole problem, that's why it should be noted in the article. You can find a lot of interviews where the journalist asks Molly Ephraim if she plans to go to College after Highschool. She is 25, nobody gets that. AmblinX  22:48, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

"Nobody has done the research (except me)" is precisely the reason it should not be in the article. Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. —C.Fred (talk) 23:02, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

The fact that it never happened in the last 20 years, is not the information i want in the article. I want the age fact in the article in that age fact is, well, a fact, and not research. AmblinX  23:21, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

It's a fact, but many other editors think it's trivia that's too unimportant to include. Please consult the essay WP:Handling trivia for more information. —C.Fred (talk) 23:35, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

What nonsense. This happens all the time, so the claim it never happened in the last 20 years is not only trivia but wrong. More trivia: same sort of situation in Eight Simple Rules. Kaley Cuoco played the oldest daughter and Amy Davidson played the younger daughter, despite the fact that Davidson was 6 years older. So what? It's not that uncommon. Forget the name of the show where the actress playing the mother of a daughter was only 5 years older than the actress playing her daughter. This is just random nonsense unless some reliable source make a big deal out of it. DreamGuy (talk) 00:08, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

AmblinX, you're wrong on every point. You're wrong on the facts and you don't understand WP:OR as even if your claims were correct they would be original research not allowed on Wikipedia. It's time to move on. Quale (talk) 07:06, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Not entirely wrong; they've correct the actor/character ages don't track and they've stopped edit warring and started discussing, which is good. But it is time to move on and find other ways to contribute. Nobody Ent 13:28, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Before we move on, let me say that this was a productive and healthy discussion* and the way it's supposed to work. An editor presents a change he'd like to make and shows what source(s) the edit is based on. Other editors find other sources—either supporting or contradicting the edit—or point out Wikipedia policies that the edit would either help the article follow better or that the edit would violate. After more discussion, consensus emerges, any necessary edits to the page are made, and people move on.
* There might have been the occasional less-than-productive comment along the way, but looking back at the record that remains here, it was a good discussion, IMHO.
—C.Fred (talk) 13:43, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Renewal Status

The article says that ABC has announced that show has been renewed for the 2012/2013 season however the cited articlke only says that there are rumors that ABC intends to do this. Other sites do not support the idea that the renewal has happened yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.219.88.140 (talk) 15:27, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Ham (Amateur) radio and KA0XTT

I am not familiar with the technical details of editing the main article, so I will offer some suggestions here and request that those experts incorporate as appropriate.

In the Characters section, Mike Baxter is described as a ham radio operator. "Ham radio" should be linked to the appropriate Wikipedia page (Amateur Radio).

The callsign KA0XTT has special significance in several ways... "X" series callsigns are normally assigned to experimental stations. In this case, the callsign is an homage to his other character on Home Improvement, as in "Ex-Tim Taylor". The station on set is a working amateur radio station, and several crew members are licensed amateur radio operators.

Numerous articles about the background and inclusion of ham radio and its possible development in the storyline can be found by a search on the callsign. A primary source of information can be found on the website of the American Radio Relay League, at http://www.arrl.org/news/em-ham-radio-in-hollywood-em-comedian-tim-allen-stars-as-radio-amateur-on-new-tv-show — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techineer (talk • contribs) 02:49, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Originally, I wasn't sure where such a note would be added, and didn't think the information was noteworthy enough for a whole new section, but then I noticed that under the character descriptions took note of the university the character attended, which seems equally relevant, in that it has provided a handful of lines in the scripts, particularly the rivalry between Michigan and Ohio State. So I added to Tim Allen's character description that his character is an amateur radio operator with callsign KA0XTT, and cited QRZ as the source.50.46.161.100 (talk) 07:13, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Home Location

Anyone know where the house used in exterior shots is actually located? The show is ostensibly located in Denver CO, but the house used in exterior shots has at least one Sycamore in front (between the sidewalk and curb), and CO is outside the American Sycamore's range . Darr247 (talk) 16:17, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

References

Credibility

I amended some wording in the character descriptions to decrease the sense of bias and work toward the informative tone of Wikipedia . Does anyone have citations for this section? It, and a few other sections are missing them and I think that could really help establish credibility. Also, the first few links to the citations are outdated and do not lead to the articles they should anymore. I am also wondering what is important about the ABC programming chart at the bottom of the page. It did not seem to mention Last Man Standing. Showing that the page is notable by talking about the awards and reviews it has gotten was a really great idea. I think notability is really good for this page. Kematt1203 (talk) 18:31, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Uh, yeah...here's the thing...

Could we get some actual answers as to why this show was cancelled? It is bizarre for a show that is doing quite well to be axed out of the blue. I tried finding sources on the rationale for this cancellation, but all there seem to be are arch-conservative and arch-liberal blogs either deploring or cheering the cancellation. Does anyone know why ABC really axed this show? PeaceTrainee (talk) 02:31, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

It's really simple... you're looking at overall ratings, not the demo, first of all. Secondly, it is common practice for actors to look for higher salaries once they hit 7 season, Tim Allen was doing just this. Third, it's a third-party produced show, ABC doesn't own it, so that adds more expense to their overhead. And finally, ABC has decided to rebrand their Friday nights to Fantasy & Sci-Fi, and this show doesn't "fit" in on any other night. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.61.230.253 (talk) 18:24, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Decent ratings or not, shows are often canceled due to actor demands. Allen overstated his popularity and sought an unreasonably high salary, which didn't settle well with ABC since such a high pay-out would not longer prove productive to the network. Allen then spun the issue to make it seem like he was the victim of political bias in the same vein as Roseanne.

It's probably not a good idea to pay attention to anonymous comments on blogs and social media, as these are often fictitious persons being paid to disseminate certain viewpoints that benefit selective individuals or organizations. It should be common knowledge by now that networks abuse social media to advertise their programming. 75.63.209.97 (talk) 19:09, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Fox Network Telecasting XFL Games on Thursdays?

"When the Fox schedule was released in May 2019, Last Man Standing was placed in a Thursday night time slot and will only air in weeks when Fox is not airing NFL or XFL games."

I understand Last Man Standing being held until midseason because of NFL Thursday Night Football, but I didn't know that the Fox Network was going to telecast games from the new XFL on Thursdays, also. Are there any sources for the XFL-on-Thursdays info? If it's true, then Last Man Standing will be in for a short season in 2019-20. I was thinking LMS would start its eighth season in the first week of 2020 (which is January 2), and Fox Network will be finished with their TNF games for the current NFL season on December 12, 2019. Also, the source at Deadline.com cited by JMyrleFuller (with the announcement of Fox Network's 2019-20 schedule) does not mention the XFL at all. Jim856796 (talk) 17:04, 17 October 2019 (UTC)