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Book intro[edit]

Might it be more immediately accessible if we said that the book intro was by Clement Attlee? I know that Clem is only a click away from Major C. R. Attlee but admitting upfront that it is indeed Clem saves even that click; we are not, after all, quoting the book material directly and it would seem a little trivial to do so. What do you think? Best wishes DBaK (talk) 09:10, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I thought it interesting that Attlee should use his army rank so chose to leave his name as it appeared on the book. I do not know whether Attlee generally described himself as Major at this time or only when contributing to a publication on a military matter. However I have no strong feelings on the issue.

I would like to know more about the content of the book. It has not been digitised and I can barely find mention of its existence so presumably it made little impact. Nedrutland (talk) 08:57, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Neville and Austen Chamberlain[edit]

I'm a little confused by what we have currently done with this:

"He was the godson of Austen Chamberlain (not Neville Chamberlain)."

It seems odd to tell us what he is NOT - I mean, he is also not the godson of, say, Neville Francis Fitzgerald Chamberlain, Helen Chamberlain, or indeed Tinky Winky, as far as we know, but we do not mention any of them. Click the reference at the end of the sentence to this and it becomes clearer ... er, or not. What I mean by this is that it's the ref that has it wrong, according to us - it says Neville, we "know" it's Austen, so obviously we must explain that and correct it. Except, must we really? At the moment we say "It's A not N" and then give a ref which claims it's N. The ref doesn't say it's A, or that it's A and not N - so it's not really a reference for anything in this article.

If we remove the mention of Neville, and the ref that seems to necessitate that mention, then we are left with ""He was the godson of Austen Chamberlain." That is, of course, unreferenced, and could perhaps do with one ... but is it any worse off than it was before? I think not. I feel that we should take out the irrelevant reference to Neville in the article and the irrelevant source which seems to be cited only so that it can be contradicted. Strip it back to Austen or take it out altogether, but Neville is a red herring here. And IF he's only there as a preventive measure then maybe an HTML comment to say "don't cite the Indy and Neville here; it's wrong" ... though of course without an RS for Austen we're on thin ice anyway - on what are we depending for this factoid? But what do you think? Best wishes and a happy Thursday to all, DBaK (talk) 09:23, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I had made the mention of Neville based on the obituary of Wheeler; that was altered to Austen by Edwardgclive (who described himself as a "member of Clive family" in his edits to the Wormbridge page and is presumably the person mentioned on that page as the current owner of the Clive estate there). An internet search of the names only link back to Wheeler’s obit and a review of his To Make the People Smile Again. His father Percy Clive MP had acted as Parliamentary Private Secretary to Austen Chamberlain so Austen would seem more likely.

So we have the cited (but probably wrong) Neville and the probably right (but unsourced) Austen. I agree that as no corrobation has turned up in 5 years it is better to cut the sentence from the article and leave it here on the Talk page. Nedrutland (talk) 08:32, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looking again, very few sources support Austen as his godparent, many mention Neville. The most reliable-seeming source for Austen is Dr Kathryn Rix writing about his father on the History of Parliament website. Nedrutland (talk) 09:45, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More than seven years after suggesting it, I have removed mention of any godfather. If a Reliable Source is identified, the info can be restored. Nedrutland (talk) 14:10, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Metropolitan Borough of Kensington[edit]

When was he elected? He must have been one of the younger members of a council. Jackiespeel (talk) 18:49, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have not seen a RS for his election but he was still serving at his death. Nedrutland (talk) 09:36, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Death[edit]

There is uncertainty about his date of death. His monument in the family church has 4 Aug but others have 28/31 July and 1/2/3 Aug. Probate has 28 July. I have marked 2 Aug in the lede as 'circa' and flagged the claim of 3 Aug in the body as dubious. Nedrutland (talk) 09:35, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

According to researcher Chris Farman (2015) he was killed on the 3rd August, but I agree it's strange that there are so many death dates for this one man. I suppose he could have been killed in the night close to midnight, since it was Spain during the summer and the heat would have made attacking during daylight unwise. BulgeUwU (talk) 21:59, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]