Talk:Lightweight Fighter program

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Temporary Redirection[edit]

Fighter mafia is redirected for now to this article, which is a very similar topic, until I or someone else can rewrite. Leaving the content in the source so it can be edited upon soon. The current article has many glaring problems:

  • Claims it was a group of officers. Many, including Christie and Sprey, were civilian defense analysts.
  • Claimed it shaped specifications for the F-4E, unsupported by the sources provided here and chronologically off with the supposed coining of the term in 1969, after the purchase of the F-4E
  • Boyd is far more than an "instructor pilot"
  • Their position was not based on deficiencies in existing aircraft but in Boyd's E-M, which provided a framework to demonstrating that there were deficiencies - and moreso in the new designs under development in the 1960's than the in-service designs. Important distinction.

As LWF contains a fairly detailed history that encompasses E-M, it's a suitable substitute for now. --Mmx1 01:43, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename with "Program"[edit]

"light weight fighter" is a fairly generic name. I propose moving this article to "Lightweight Fighter program" to avoid namespace problems, as well as make the terminology more common with articles like New Fighter Aircraft program. Maury (talk) 16:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yep I agree, I was expecting "Lightweight fighter" to be an article generally about light fighterd, not just the YF-16/YF-17 program. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.221.202 (talk) 21:39, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, just because you don't like the name doesn't make it possible to re-write history - that's what the YF-16/YF-17 program was called so deal with it. Maybe you should talk with Mr. Peabody... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 (talk) 23:51, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

F-1 E[edit]

The latest edits regarding the F-1 E need to be rewritten and have authoritative reference sources. Comments? FWiW Bzuk (talk) 18:41, 28 October 2011 (UTC).[reply]


Yes! If I understand well, we are not supposed to use the genuine source (In French, or any other language)? So what if the source is not available in English?Alfad (talk) 20:35, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Foreign sources are acceptable if no other sources are available, but must be written in a way that is clearly understandable. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 22:48, 31 October 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Ok sorry if i am dumb, but if i put Philippe Grasset November 27,2002 Lunch-debate of the CHEAr (Centre des Hautes Études de l'Armement, or Center of the High Studies of the Armament), this will be acceptable? Alfad (talk) 03:03, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Try it this way: Grasset, Philippe. Presentation: (need a title here) (in French). Paris: Centre des Hautes Études de l'Armement (CHEAr), 27 November 2002. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 03:46, 1 November 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Really?[edit]

This article states: "The US Navy had long ago come to similar conclusions, and had been designing a series of aircraft dedicated to this role. Notable among these was the well named Douglas F6D Missileer, a slow and unmaneuverable design equipped with very powerful missiles and radar. The US Air Force had similar designs, but these had been dedicated to the interceptor role..." What were these "similar designs" of the USAF? The Missileer was a response to a 1959 USN requirement - the USAF at the time was fielding aircraft like the F-106 in the interceptor role - hardly "slow and unmaneuverable" Indeed, if anything the USAF was heading for faster and faster interceptors, like the F-108 and YF-12. About the only aircraft that would appear to be similar to the Missileer in terms of speed and manueverability was the old F-89, basically a WWII era design - while still being kept around as a Genie carrier (F-89J) logically as an economy measure not because of a dedicated plan for slow aircraft on the Air Force's part. Sounds like more Wiki original research to this reader... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.51.66.32 (talk) 23:49, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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