Talk:Lim Chin Siong

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Removing the irrelevant parts from Lim's bio

When I first started editing Lim's wiki article, I realised that there were sections below such as:

"Questions about Communism" "Description of Lim Chin Siong's politics from declassified British documents"

Which I felt doesn't quite add to the article. I've beefed up the parts concerning his life (from early years to later years), and will modify the section on "Legacy" instead to discuss the "communism" part.

--Owentan (talk) 13:21, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[Old] Communist accusation at top of wiki article is unproven

Update (28 Aug 2016): Significant edits to the original wiki article have been made, which supersedes the comments made below. Please compare the article as of July 2016 and the one today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Owentan (talk • contribs) 08:11, 28 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In the box at the top right corner of the wiki article on Lim Chin Siong it states that he was known for communist activities and that he belonged to the Malayan Communist Party. None of those claims are true.

The amazing thing is further down the wiki article details that the British scholars who wrote the book 'Comet in our Sky' proved that there was no evidence that Lim was a communist according to de-classified British documents.

The wiki article on the People's Action Party is also inaccurate in that it does not mention that Lim Chin Siong was a co-founder of the PAP with Lee Kuan Yew and that he was one of the first three Singaporeans to be elected as PAP members of Parliament.

Attempts to change the information on the PAP wiki site have quickly been taken off. There is a real bias of Wiki to make Lee Kuan Yew look good, even though it is well documented that he tortured and destroyed the lives of many good Singaporeans based on false claims of being Communists. It is very sad to see Wikipedia going along with such evil.

Your style is not excatly that of a level observer. You should try to see the articel from both sides of the table, not just one side. Gengleong (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:33, 11 July 2010 (UTC).[reply]

I think what anonymous said was quite right. If there is no cited source to prove that Lim Chin Siong belonged to MCP or perpetrated communist activities (what's the definition of communist activities anyway?) then it should not be in the article. I'm somewhat suspicious of the term "communist activities". What exactly did he do count as that? Is it any more than a political epithet, which in any case have no place in an article? Unless a clarification and citation is provided, I'll be taking that off the entry.

As for the claim that he was the first three Singaporeans to be elected from the PAP, you can find sources for that here:

http://infopedia.nl.sg/articles/SIP_1462_2009-02-18.html

http://www.singapore-elections.com/candidates-g.html Goh Chew Chua was the other candidate elected in 1955

The third candidate was Lee Kuan Yew.

While I agree editors should be level headed and unbiased, giving "both sides" (whatever that means) of a story shouldn't come at the cost of comprising factual credibility. Ethereal (talk) 06:27, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lim Chin Siong is a socialist, not a communist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.164.234.63 (talk) 19:24, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is a difference between 'proven' and 'alleged'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.75.154.12 (talk) 14:43, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lim Chin Siong was wrongly accused of saying "Pa Mata" by Lim Yew Hock's government in 1956. He might have been wrongly accused of many other things as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.75.154.12 (talk) 14:45, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I find it weird for some "thinkers" to interpret Lim Chin Siong's effort to calm the people as an attempt to incite unrest. The instruction given by Lim was clear: Do not beat the police. "Sometimes a Cigar Is Just a Cigar" - Sigmund Freud

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.75.154.12 (talk) 14:52, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Like many of the users said above, I wasn't satisfied with Lim's wiki article. His character and history is so complex - yet in the article he was written off as just an "influential politician". He was more than that. I've been making a series of edits and additions to the article and will continue to do so for the rest of Aug 2016. --Owentan (talk) 10:17, 21 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that in your edits, some content has been removed. Also, the language use is somewhat "dramatic" - see MOS:OPED. I'm making changes along the way. I see form the past version that the subject has been getting the short end of the stick, but you might be overcompensating a little. Zhanzhao (talk) 05:18, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for making the edits. Appreciate any feedback on the article. This article is the first edit that I have made to any Wikipedia article that is so extensive, so I am grateful for anyone who might have more experience/expertise about the subject (or to Wiki in particular). Owentan (talk) 05:37, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mix up with Fong Swee Suan

The Article's first line states that Lim Chin Siong dies in 1996

However in the section 'Later Years' he is mentioned to have dies in on 4 February 2017. That is in fact the date his earlier comrade Fong Swee Suan died. See https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/infopedia/articles/SIP_2013-07-29_173512.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sejtam (talk • contribs) 16:08, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected in the main article. Sejtam (talk) 16:47, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]