Talk:Lincoln Tunnel/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: AmericanAir88 (talk · contribs) 18:47, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Will start over the weekend. AmericanAir88 (talk) 18:47, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: AmericanAir88 (talk) 21:11, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Issues

• "An integral conduit within the New York metropolitan area, it was designed by Norwegian-born civil engineer Ole Singstad and named after U.S. President Abraham Lincoln."

Rework that sentence. "Integral conduit" is a very confusing phrase.

 Done

• "The Lincoln Tunnel underwent a series of gradual improvements in following decades."

Elaborate more or if its too detailed to get into-remove it.

 Done. I did not elaborate too much as it's supposed to only be a summary.

• Talk about cashless tolling in the intro and make the statement about east bound toll into its own sentence.

   Done the second point. I don't think the first point is necessary as it's not an essential part of the article.

• "Although the three portals are side by side in New Jersey, in New York City the north tube portal is near Eleventh Avenue between 38th and 39th Streets."

Could use some reworking

 Done

• Update the article so instead of "tollbooth" it is "tolls"

  It is still technically correct that these are tollbooths. The Port Authority hasn't replaced the tollbooths here with electronic tolling. epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

• "Westbound traffic does not pay a toll, and so the westbound portion of the toll plaza does not have tollbooths"

   Fixed

Rework this sentence and also do what the issue above says to do

• "In Manhattan, Dyer Avenue and the Lincoln Tunnel Expressway serve as the primary egress roadways for the Lincoln Tunnel"

Add better punctuation/grammar and find a better word than "egress"

•  Done

• The first paragraph of "Manhattan approaches" needs to be more fluent and less choppy.

   Done

• "This is marked as the last exit in New York."

Please add the Exit number

 Not done. This exit is not numbered so I can't add an exit number. epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

• "The tube's Manhattan entrance would be located anywhere between 23rd and 42nd Streets, while the New Jersey entrance might be located between Hoboken and Weehawken."

Elaborate more and find better words than "might be"

 Done, found better words.

• "The preliminary plans included a "mixing plaza", where traffic from the Midtown Hudson Tunnel would interchange with traffic from the tunnel to Queens."

Elaborate more

 Done

• "The tube was to be bored using the shield-tunneling method, and shields would proceed from both sides at the same time, although the shield on the New York side would pass through a caisson for the tunnel."

Fix up and expand

 Done

• "These buildings, located in the neighborhood of Hell's Kitchen, were seen as either "insanitary and dangerous" or "likely to become so"."

Elaborate more on this. More info on the buildings being destroyed makes interesting facts. Also don't let quotes be the creators of the sentence.

I left out details about the building because this isn't really an article about the buildings, but in any case, I reworded. epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

• " The reporter L.H. Robbins wrote a descriptive account of the construction work, calling the tunnel shield a "Steel Hercules", the sandhogs "ox-strong, rough-clad", and the tunnel itself akin to "a bit of the realm of Tartarus".

Clean this sentence up a bit. It is very choppy.

 Done

• "The tunneling work posed some danger: a dynamite accident in April 1935 killed three sandhogs."

Any more information on this?

I don't think this necessarily needs more information. I just mentioned that people died during construction because of a tunneling accident. epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

• "Bids for installing electrical ducts were let in August 1936."

Expand more

I simply removed this information since it wasn't important. epicgenius (talk) 23:46, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

• "Different toll rates applied to tractor-trailers and motorcycles; pedestrians, animals, and bicyclists were prohibited from using the tunnel."

Split these and elaborate more on both.

 Done

*"A groundbreaking ceremony for the third tube was held the next month at the Manhattan side's future ventilation shaft, and sandhogs began digging the tunnel from that end."

Is this a pun? If not explain what was so "groundbreaking"

This is not a pun. A groundbreaking ceremony is common practice at construction. It is mostly self-explanatory - a ceremony where the first official construction work is performed on a project. Anyhow, I explained it. epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

*I-495 also applies to the Brooklyn-battery tunnel, not just the LIE.

• No, the Battery Tunnel is Interstate 478. I-495 is only the LIE, which starts at the QMT. epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

*Isn't "Cashless" tolling now at the Lincoln Tunnel? If it is then change cash to "pay by plate". Also mention cashless in the Toll section.

• No, as I explained above. Cashless tolling is only at Bayonne Bridge and the MTA Bridges and Tunnels. Lincoln Tunnel is a Port Authority project. You still pay cash or E-ZPass (and E-ZPass on its own is not notable enough for a mention in the lead). epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

• Would an "In popular culture" section work?

I know of a couple movies and TV shows with the Lincoln tunnel

I'll get back to you on that. Any addition should be compliant with WP:POPCULTURE, it must be both important and reliably sourced. epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

*Shouldn't the Holland Tunnel be in "See also"? It is very similar and does the same route.

• No, per WP:SEEALSO. Links that are already in the article shouldn't get mentioned in a see-also section. As it is, the Holland Tunnel is mentioned in the lead. epicgenius (talk) 23:45, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: I feel the only notable "In popular culture" candidate would be the movie "Daylight". I guess the idea of its own section is not adequate. Do you think the mention of daylight should be in the article? AmericanAir88 (talk) 00:14, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

@AmericanAir88: I'm not sure. I think the popular culture section, if there is any, should only include entries for which the Lincoln Tunnel was a key feature, otherwise the list would grow to unencyclopedic proportions (e.g. Empire State Building in popular culture, Central Park in popular culture). epicgenius (talk) 00:17, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: The Lincoln Tunnel is not present as a key feature very much. The only notable appearance that I know of is "Daylight". Should a mention of daylight appear in the article? AmericanAir88 (talk) 00:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

@AmericanAir88: I think that was the Holland Tunnel, not the Lincoln Tunnel. I didn't find anything about the Lincoln being in Daylight.

@Epicgenius: My mistake!.

Pass

Congratulations on Passing. You have done excellent work on this article and I really admire your dedication. You are a pleasure to work with and an important attribute to Wikipedia. Me (A New York commuter to an office every day) have learned so much from you AmericanAir88 (talk) 00:46, 4 June 2018 (UTC)